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[edit]Allen reached 190mph. The storm details say it reached Cat 5 three times. So why does the introduction say "at Category 4 strength or stronger"? Is this a disputed landfall strength as opposed to peak strength or something?
Also ACE page says season had 11/9/2. Which was the other major hurricane? Only Ivan indicates Cat 2; none of the other storms say anything about their peak strength. I think this leaves the impression they are all Cat 1. crandles 13:15, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
- Added Frances's peak windspeed of 115mph. crandles 17:57, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Images for each storm
[edit]- Hurricane Bonnie
- Hurricane Charley
- Tropical Storm Danielle
- Hurricane Earl
- Hurricane Frances
- Hurricane Georges
- Tropical Storm Hermine
- Hurricane Ivan
- Hurricane Jeanne
- Hurricane Karl
- Wow, I got lucky. I didn't think the MWR had all of them. Well, there you go, another year down. Hurricanehink 14:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
- Finished juan andrés 01:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
- Good work. I uploaded 1978 as well. Hurricanehink 01:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
- I've noticed it. Maybe I will do it tomorrow. juan andrés 02:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
- Good work. I uploaded 1978 as well. Hurricanehink 01:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
- Finished juan andrés 01:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
- By the way, are there any pictures of Allen other than the radar one that can be accepted? I found this one in the same report as the others. It has Allen before its peak intensity. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Hurricane_Allen.JPG Jake52
- Sure. Personally, I don't like infrared at all. Hurricanehink 02:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Tropical Depressions
[edit]This information is for general use, and is not reference-able. Happy hunting. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- 8970 7/17/1980 M= 5 1 SNBR= 143 XING=0 TD1
- 8980 7/17* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*250 900 20 0*252 904 25 0*
- 8990 7/18*254 909 25 0*257 912 30 0*260 918 30 0*262 921 30 0*
- 9000 7/19*264 927 30 0*268 930 30 0*270 935 30 0*274 940 30 0*
- 9010 7/20*278 945 30 0*280 949 30 0*285 952 30 0*290 957 25 0*
- 9020 7/21*295 957 25 0*300 955 25 0*305 950 0 0* 0 0 0 0*
- 9030 TD
- 9180 8/13/1980 M= 5 4 SNBR= 146 XING=0 TD4
- 9190 8/13*150 210 20 0*152 225 25 0*158 242 25 0*167 259 30 0*
- 9200 8/14*178 271 30 0*188 287 30 0*200 300 30 0*210 317 30 0*
- 9210 8/15*220 330 30 0*232 343 30 0*248 359 30 0*273 372 30 0*
- 9220 8/16*300 366 30 0*321 344 25 0*338 319 25 0*352 290 25 0*
- 9230 8/17*367 262 20 0* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*
- 9240 TD
- 9250 8/25/1980 M= 5 5 SNBR= 147 XING=0 TD6
- 9260 8/25*159 316 20 0*158 340 25 0*157 353 25 0*156 369 25 0*
- 9270 8/26*155 383 25 0*154 398 25 0*154 410 25 0*153 430 30 0*
- 9280 8/27*154 449 30 0*158 468 30 0*160 488 30 0*167 508 30 0*
- 9290 8/28*178 527 30 0*190 543 30 0*205 560 25 0*220 580 25 0*
- 9300 8/29*225 600 20 0* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*
- 9310 TD
- 9370 11/12/1980 M= 7 7 SNBR= 149 XING=0 TD14
- 9380 11/12* 0 0 0 0* 0 0 0 0*130 800 20 0*134 807 20 0*
- 9390 11/13*140 812 25 0*144 819 25 0*150 824 30 0*159 830 30 0*
- 9400 11/14*164 835 30 0*171 838 30 0*180 839 30 0*188 838 30 0*
- 9410 11/15*194 836 30 0*200 833 30 0*207 830 30 0*211 829 30 0*
- 9420 11/16*217 828 25 0*222 827 25 0*229 828 25 0*239 829 30 0*
- 9430 11/17*244 830 30 0*252 832 30 0*260 835 30 0*272 832 25 0*
- 9440 11/18*280 830 25 0*290 820 20 0*300 810 20 0* 0 0 0 0*
- 9450 TD
- I think at least one must be missing. Hurricane Frances should be the 10th tropical depression, so another one must be between that and Allen. Potapych (talk) 02:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
- Er, wait. Maybe not. Potapych (talk) 02:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Three additional depressions are noted in the NOAA's records - two before Allen (in addition to TD 1) and one between Ivan and Jeanne. These should be added to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.9.203.187 (talk) 06:51, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Bruvtakesover (talk · contribs) 22:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm reviewing the article. Yay! Bruvtakesover (T|C) 22:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
- Lead
- Instead of 15 use fifteen since you use that style in the rest of the article.
- Season summary
- This section looks good. However, you do not need to link Hermine in this section since you already have in the lead.
- Storms
- There is one thing holding this section back.. most of the sections start with 'A tropical wave exited the west coast of Africa. Anything you could change it to?
- Storm names
- Looking good.
- References
- No need to link National Climatic Data Center over and over again, only needed for the first use.
- The rest of the references look good.
I will just wait for you to fix the things I have brought up before I pass or fail this article. Bruvtakesover (T|C) 19:51, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- I have fixed/addressed all of your issues!--12george1 (talk) 19:35, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you... passing the article! Bruvtakesover (T|C) 19:45, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Timeline?
[edit]The timeline is the only article that's holding up this from becoming a good topic. Does anyone plan on working on that? Would anyone mind if it gets merged? There's barely additional content in the timeline article, and it doesn't seem like a good fit for this season (not too many storms, few concurrent storms). Any thoughts? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:02, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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Proposed merge of Hurricane Karl (1980) into 1980 Atlantic hurricane season
[edit]- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- The result of this discussion was merge ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Fails WP:NWX since there was no damage or impact. Not really a meteorological reason for the article to exist either. The records mentioned could be summarized within the season article. Noah, AATalk 14:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep the records are a bit numerous to fully describe in the article, tho 1989 was a quiet season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.19.68.110 (talk) 18:41, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- None of the records are substantive, more like distinctions really, and can easily be described in the season article. Drdpw (talk) 04:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge – This hurricane stayed over open waters and did not have any effects on land. Nor was it covered by the media in any appreciable manner. Additionally, the article is very thin on substance. Therefore, it would be better to cover the hurricane as part of the season article rather than as a standalone article. Drdpw (talk) 04:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support - there isn't much more in the Karl article than what's already in the section in the season article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Proposed merge of Hurricane Jeanne (1980) into 1980 Atlantic hurricane season
[edit]The article is very short (i.e. Jeanne is 677 words, both not including the lead's word count) and is not notable in terms of notable records, significant impacts, and fatalities. It can be comfortably merged into the season article, which is 3908 words. ZZZ'S 04:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: This storm is notable for being one of only a handful of Gulf of Mexico tropical cyclones not to make landfall, and it still had some impacts. It also brought over 20 inches of rain to the Florida Keys as seen in the rainfall totals picture, which is very notable for a tropical cyclone. Please can we not merge any more tropical cyclone articles for a while? AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 14:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, being a tropical cyclone in the Gulf of Mexico that does not make landfall doesn't automatically make a storm notable in it itself. Yes, it did make impacts, but it was not significant and only caused minor damage. The heavy rainfall was not directly caused by the storm according to the TCR, so any damages caused there is considered not to have came from Jeanne. If you really don't like any of my merges, then I suggest not interacting with me. Speaking of interaction, since nothing good has ever came out of most of your rationales (ironic for someone to say my merge discussions are bad while they start discussions like this), I am considering whether or not I should request a one-way interaction ban with you. I believe most, if not all of your rationales are not productive and are fueled by whatever record, intensity, whatever you can find of a tropical cyclone to oppose its article's merge. ZZZ'S 14:59, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- I felt uncomfortable with many tropical cyclone articles being merged within the last year, which I have noticed happening, and I am hoping you understand that I don’t like seeing so many of these articles getting merged. I have the opinion that Jeanne 1980 was a notable storm, just my opinion. AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 15:11, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is hard to assume that when out of ALL merge discussions by me which you have interacted with, none of them were supported by you. Most of the merge discussions that I did not start were supported by you. I saw that you had earlier mentioned the reason for these votes twice, and both of those times were addressed without you ever responding to it. Even if you really did not like seeing many articles being merged (merging is a normal, virtually everyday occurrence on the encyclopaedia), that is not a reason to jeopardize valid and normal merges. You're going to have to change your views because what you are doing is unacceptable. ZZZ'S 16:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- I apologize, and I am not trying to argue or be bad, and I did not see the message before when you had responded back at that time. AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 17:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am also on the autism spectrum and have PANDAS syndrome, both of which make me feel more sensitive/sentimental to things. I also used to edit on a Fandom but not anymore (Gerontology Wiki) in which one of its moderators kept on deleting several articles at a time for no good reason and without discussions first. That is why I have gotten sensitive to article merges/deletions.
- I apologize, and I am not trying to argue or be bad, and I did not see the message before when you had responded back at that time. AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 17:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is hard to assume that when out of ALL merge discussions by me which you have interacted with, none of them were supported by you. Most of the merge discussions that I did not start were supported by you. I saw that you had earlier mentioned the reason for these votes twice, and both of those times were addressed without you ever responding to it. Even if you really did not like seeing many articles being merged (merging is a normal, virtually everyday occurrence on the encyclopaedia), that is not a reason to jeopardize valid and normal merges. You're going to have to change your views because what you are doing is unacceptable. ZZZ'S 16:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- I felt uncomfortable with many tropical cyclone articles being merged within the last year, which I have noticed happening, and I am hoping you understand that I don’t like seeing so many of these articles getting merged. I have the opinion that Jeanne 1980 was a notable storm, just my opinion. AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 15:11, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, being a tropical cyclone in the Gulf of Mexico that does not make landfall doesn't automatically make a storm notable in it itself. Yes, it did make impacts, but it was not significant and only caused minor damage. The heavy rainfall was not directly caused by the storm according to the TCR, so any damages caused there is considered not to have came from Jeanne. If you really don't like any of my merges, then I suggest not interacting with me. Speaking of interaction, since nothing good has ever came out of most of your rationales (ironic for someone to say my merge discussions are bad while they start discussions like this), I am considering whether or not I should request a one-way interaction ban with you. I believe most, if not all of your rationales are not productive and are fueled by whatever record, intensity, whatever you can find of a tropical cyclone to oppose its article's merge. ZZZ'S 14:59, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
@Zzzs Henri 1979 has only 889 words and is shorter than Jeanne 1980.
AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 17:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- You said: "You're going to have to change your views because what you are doing is unacceptable."
- This statement makes me think that you want me to support ALL merges, but I do not like seeing merges for the reasons I stated above. I can have whatever type of views I want on article merges. I believe that merges are a bad thing in my opinion as that means the article no longer exists on Wikipedia and that means it will be deleted or made only a sub-section of another article (usually a season article). I just would like for you to understand why I fear article merges and deletions and that this should NOT be taken as personal or an insult. I notice that you had done several merge discussions in a short time, so I was worried as I was thinking that more articles were going to get merged or deleted after there having been several other existing discussions in progress.
- I had said, "This storm is notable for being one of only a handful of Gulf of Mexico tropical cyclones not to make landfall, and it still had some impacts. It also brought over 20 inches of rain to the Florida Keys as seen in the rainfall totals picture, which is very notable for a tropical cyclone."
- But then I had said, "Please can we not merge any more tropical cyclone articles for a while?" Because it was both worrying and saddening for this to happen to another article, but I had believed that there were already enough merges for a while. I am hoping that you do not take this personally, I do not like seeing merges or deletions because I believe that some things have a meaning and purpose. AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 04:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just chiming in. @AwesomeAndEpicGamer: since you think there have been enough mergers for a while, there was a moratorium on mergers in the past. You can propose that if you'd like, but that goes a bit beyond what's necessary to state your opposition on this talk page here. As for me, I'm neutral, as there could be more information on the storm. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Oppose: Easily notable, with studies and mentions like this and this being produces years after the tornado. As I will always say with CFORK deletions, there's enough information, it just needs added. EF5 19:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- @EF5:, I believe both of those links are talking about Jeanne in 2004, not the 1980 Jeanne. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:55, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Second one talks about the 1980 one, but you are correct about the first. EF5 20:01, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
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