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@FuzzyMagma the page is becoming exceptionally too long. At this rate, the foreign involvement section will become an A-Z soup enticing editors to dump all kinds of foreign intervention (however benign), not to mention recent edits by a new editor that appear to compromise the quality of the article. Borgenland (talk) 16:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can see that but WP:overtagging and not being constructive (or providing solutions or a discussion) about what need to be done, makes tagging useless; hence why I removed.
If it was you who did the tagging please put it back and give us and idea about what you think need to be trimmed, or we can discuss which part to make a separate article. But tagging and praying someone will fix it is not useful FuzzyMagma (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See latest edits. I would like to inform you that I had also tried to have the article protected from a suspected vandal but got rejected as it was not seen as serious a few days ago. Borgenland (talk) 16:46, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to hear that. I will keep an eye out. With Khartoum liberation, the war became major news for a moment and I think this is why you saw these editors. Give it couple of week and they will disappear. FuzzyMagma (talk) 16:48, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I shorten some of the sections, not sure which points does address in your tag, but see below and remove the tags as appropriate
  • too long: We are now below what is considered long
  • undue weight: shorten most of sections. let me know if there still more.
  • bare URLs: I did not see any
FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:09, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’m on mobile right now so I couldn’t do major edits or read extensively, but generally I’m satisfied with weight reduction. Borgenland (talk) 05:27, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just got back on desktop, there's a missing ref at #315 which I couldn't identify as it apparently has been there for a long time. Also, should X and My Maps sources be removed? Some of them were inserted and reinserted multiple times by our common friend with all the barnstars. Borgenland (talk) 15:47, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Throwing shades lol
self published sources are ok if they are used to relay information directly from a source although it’s always better to avoid them. So if there is an alternative it’s better to remove them. My Maps need to be removed. Let me dig to 315 maybe I can find a source for the information. Or better yet, let me handle the sources situation and you can continue copy editing FuzzyMagma (talk) 16:24, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not really sure as to whether the editor in question is a newbie suffering from WP:CIR or just WP:NOTHERE, so in an act of WP:AGF I am just describing them as that. As to your suggestion, I support your latest sentence. Borgenland (talk) 16:26, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Remoed twitter and fixed Ref 315 (now 313). Left My Map as it was requested in this discussion Talk:Battle of Khartoum (2023–2025)#Map inaccuracies.
As for our friend, I do not see how WP:NOTHERE would apply and I did not see any elements of WP:CIR (English is good, uses reliable sources, communicates and willing to listen), but I tend to think they are just enthusiastic .. do not bite. FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:11, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Going off of the precedent of articles like Foreign involvement in the Syrian civil war, Foreign involvement in the Yemeni civil war (2014–present), Foreign involvement in the Myanmar civil war (2021–present), and Foreign involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, should the foreign involvement be spun off into a Foreign involvement in the Sudanese civil war (2023-present)? Sir Ross ★▀▀ (talk) 15:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given the sheer size of it I do believe it does, particularly the UAE. Borgenland (talk) 15:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
sensible idea. Copy the text from this version (which I trimmed down), and once you're done, feel free to trim the text here. FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

should this article be called The third Sudanese Civil War?

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I tried putting it in the article but it got removed immediately 108.210.109.207 (talk) 23:16, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have you even read the hatnote??? Borgenland (talk) 00:49, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There isn’t a hatnote Kowal2701 (talk) 09:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There was a hatnote at the time I replied. I do not know who else tampered with it in the meantime. Borgenland (talk) 17:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the map show the "Government of peace and Unity" ?

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Now that the RSF and the SPLM(Al Hildu) have united under the "government of peace and unity", shouldn't the map show them as one belligerent ? The basque savior (talk) 18:01, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CRYSTAL FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:31, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not predicting anything, it's a sourced event mentionned in the article
https://apnews.com/article/sudan-military-rsf-civil-war-darfur-a25fe0ef9a3769ecab1838286ab0b38b
I find it missleading to put on the map that they're two seperate entity when they're united as one, they're already put as such on the Infobox The basque savior (talk) 20:26, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the breif comment. But my point was that you are predicting that al-Hilu army and RSF will be joined to form a goverment army, which is not clear. Let's wait. Wikiepida refelcts what is already been established. FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:57, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, we should probably wait then. The basque savior (talk) 05:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but maybe show some different colors like in the Syrian civil war for an example. SDUpdates32349 (talk) 22:38, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is even better. Do you know how to do that or should we ask our good friend @Miki1234568 FuzzyMagma (talk) 08:26, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Our good friend" Thanks ;). Yes of course I can do it
Even on my source shows the joint forces on some land. --Miki1234568 (talk) 11:34, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox support list

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I feel due to the length of the foreign involvement section, that a collapsible list showcasing relevant state and non-state actors who support either side, would be beneficial for those reading the article who would like a quick overview of who the major players are (plus the cited sources for reference). Articles on other conflicts such as Yemeni civil war and Libyan civil war have these additions. Donenne (talk) 09:09, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We had couple of discussion at the start of the war about this, until adding "support" has depreciated, see Template talk:Infobox military conflict#RfC on "supported by" being used with the belligerent parameter FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:43, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
for reference, below are the discussions mentioned in my comment above:
FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:51, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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