Talk:Aberdare Hall

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I object to deletion on the basis that a page exists for Aberconway Hall at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberconway_Hall.

Dear All,

This page is not of high quality as judged against the rest of Wiki. However, it provides a useful service for potential undergraduates. The hall is of considerable social historical and architectural importance and the page should be retained pending improvement of these aspects of the page.

David Kelly, Cardiff University

While it may have provided "a useful service for potential undergraduates", Wikipedia is not a brochure. I trimmed the page down significantly, removing lots of unverifiable information which may be true (I know coz my girlfriend lived in the building), but is deemed as original research by Wikipedia, and therefore not allowed. The information I "pruned" may be better off at Cardiffpedia instead of here. --Dangherous 14:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Look at it this way: "Contrary to popular belief, Aberdare Hall is not run by nuns, does allow men to pass through the doorway, and (sorry boys to ruin your fantasies), is not full of lesbians or virgins having pillow fights in their underwear!" is not a very encyclopediac tone, and encyclopedias are not the place to write how "The Lodge offers various snacks such as bars of chocolate, crisps, sweets, cold drinks, milk, tins of baked beans, pot noodles and loaves of bread for residents to buy when feeling a little peckish", nor that "Peter, Andrew, Jackie [and] John" work there. --Dangherous 14:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Despite the trimming by Dangherous, I still see this article as a brochure more than an encyclopaedic article and desperately needs tidying. It definitely feels like I'm being sold something in this article 22:23, 27 September 2009

I've removed a lot of material that would be better off (and is probably already dealt with) in a brochure. Some expansion relating to history would be useful, as well as copyright-free images, but for now I will remove the POV tag. Rodhull andemu 01:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Architect

I have found two high-quality sources that give different names for the architect of the original building. The University of Wales records, as summarised by Archives Wales, say the building was designed by W. D. Caroe. However, The Buildings of Wales – Glamorgan (in the generally-reliable Pevsner Architectural Guides series) gives the architect as H. W. Wills of Swansea. Perhaps they were both involved. I have left the name as W. D. Caroe. Verbcatcher (talk) 17:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have just found an image of an 1893 architectural drawing of Aberdare Hall that is being sold on eBay. The drawing is clearly marked Hannaford & Wills Architects, Swansea & Cardiff (or possibly Hannaford Wills Architects, Swansea Cardiff). I would not normally cite eBay as a reliable source, but the document appears genuine and is sufficient to weigh the evidence in favour of Wills. Verbcatcher (talk) 18:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have found another source, a document from the Glamorgan Record Office in the National Archives. This starts with the same text as the Cardiff University records at Archives Wales, naming the architect as W. D. Caröe. However, it lists the archive, including Designs for Aberdare Hall from ‘The British Architect’, 24 Nov. 1893, by Hannaford & Wills, architects, Swansea and Cardiff. Exterior and interior details. This is the drawing on eBay, which has The British Architect at the top of the page. My interpretation is that Hannaford & Wills were commissioned by The British Architect to prepare drawings of the building, but did not necessarily design the building. This might be clarified in Aberdare Hall 1885-1935, a copy of which is in the Glamorgan archives. I will leave the architect as W. D. Caröe, adding only the accent. Verbcatcher (talk) 18:30, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]