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Copts (ethnic group) was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 01 March 2015 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Copts. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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The references I added yesterday to the article were removed and the re-organization of the article was reverted, then I received a warning that I may be blocked! Can someone please explain this to me? Epenkimi (talk) 02:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User User:Fragrant Peony is insisting to engage in edit warring and continues to revert everything I post. Can an administrator please get involved here? Is there a way to reach out to administrator to look at this behavior? Thank you Epenkimi (talk) 11:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flag

I suspect that this flag is the creation of an individual neo-vexillology enthusiast, & does not represent any organised body of Copts. I could very well be wrong! Does anyone have any info on a source? Pathawi (talk) 17:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I traced this down. It was made by a a group called Free Copts which may have never been more than one person, & which may have never had more than an on-line presence. Their site has been down for several years now. I can't find any indication that they ever had significant influence among Copts. I don't think this flag should be taken to represent the ethnicity as a whole. Pathawi (talk) 00:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - let's zap it. Many Wikipedians think everything should have a Western-style flag, but .... Johnbod (talk) 02:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reference to "Nisan Mordechai"

"The Copts were severely affected by Nasser's nationalization policies, though they represented about 10 to 20 percent of the population."

This sentence cites "Minorities in the Middle East: A History of Struggle and Self-Expression, 2nd Edition" by Mordechai Nisan (Author)

The author of this citation, Nisan Mordechai, is described as a "counter-jihadist" and an adherent of Bat Ye'or, who promotes the Eurabia conspiracy theory. This is a far-right, anti-Muslim conspiracy theory that posits that globalist entities, led by French and Arab powers, aim to Islamize and Arabize Europe, thereby weakening its existing culture and undermining its previous alliances with the United States and Israel.

I am wondering if a better citation and author can be used related to Egypt's Coptic community under Nasser, as well as additional context. Gamalny (talk) 18:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is Todros ch. 3-4

The Todros ch. 3-4 citation seems to have been added to this article back in revision https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Copts&oldid=569446271 back in August 2013 by @Rjensen It also appears in Christianity in Egypt and probably elsewhere. It needs to have a full reference beyond just an author name. Erp (talk) 03:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it's probably at type-o for the Tadros book that appears in Further Reading in that 2013 version of the article. There appears to have been some messy subsequent editing that retains a reference to Samuel Tadros in the current version of the article but replaces the formal citation with something else. Pathawi (talk) 12:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copts make up 5-15% of population yet christianity 5-1o%?

If we read the notes and linked sources on the "Christianity in Egypt"-wiki article, we are met with high quality sources disproving the 5-15% number stated in Source 20 of this article.

I find it strange that a government-ran newsoutlet found up to 15% of the population as *overwhelmingly* coptic when the US' independent estimation made up around 9-10% only one year later in 2018. This is also not considering copts, but christians in Egypt as a whole.

It is therefor in my now fact-backed opinion wrong to claim that up to 15% of the population is coptic when further studies isn't finding numbers above 10% as christian. Mythicshaman (talk) 12:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article contains a few different estimates of the Coptic population in Egypt, with different sources from different points in time. I don't see a US government source from 2018 that suggests a 9–10% number. Can you pinpoint what in the article's text you're talking about, & what you want to be different? Pathawi (talk) 13:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]