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Welcome to WikiProject Paranormal, a WikiProject that aims to provide a framework for the improvement and organization of articles related to the paranormal, anomalous phenomena and other similar areas. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask us on our discussion page.

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Goals

To provide a concise and accurate record of notable beliefs, organizations, experiments, individuals and events which are associated with the paranormal, including their history, background and their current status.
To provide a framework (including infoboxes, categories, and examples of Best Practice) from within which scholarly entries about the paranormal, and related topics, may be produced.
To provide a scholarly set of terminology to describe the paranormal which is technically, culturally, and contextually accurate.
To seek out and apply verifiable mainstream sources to pages within the projects scope with the aim of A) addressing any issues of verifiability and reliability that have been highlighted in existing entries, and B) ensuring that new entries are of sufficient quality that their verifiability and reliability do not become an issue.
To ensure that each entry approaches its topic from a balanced and neutral perspective.
To ensure that the notability of each topic can be gleaned from its entry, without the need for additional explanation.
To ensure that a clear dividing line is established between reporting the belief in/background of the topic in a scholarly manner, and advocating/denouncing the topic itself.
To expand project stubs to full entries and to progress full entries to the next level.
Patrol frequently vandalized pages within the project's scope.

Scope

Paranormal articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
Quality	Top	High	Mid	Low	NA	???	Total
FA			4	5		2	11
FL				1			1
GA		1	4	15		5	25
B	6	20	30	70		61	187
C	8	16	54	167		113	358
Start	1	6	53	323		470	853
Stub			4	72		175	251
List	1	4	11	26		16	58
Category					691		691
Disambig					9		9
File					17		17
Project					20		20
Template					20		20
NA		1	3	13	155		172
Other					4		4
Assessed	16	48	163	692	916	842	2,677
Unassessed				2		32	34
Total	16	48	163	694	916	874	2,711
WikiWork factors (?)		ω = 7,814			Ω = 4.64

(Assessment log)

Subjects covered by this project include (but are not necessarily limited to):

Anomalistics
Cryptozoology
Paranormal phenomena
Paranormal hoaxes and frauds
Parapsychology
Fringe science, protoscience, and pseudoscience
Ufology
Urban myths and legends
unexplained disappearances
Some conspiracy theories
megaliths and similar

The beginnings of a list of topics which are covered in reference books directly related to this topic can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Paranormal/Encyclopedic articles.

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The following articles fall within the scope of the project and have been noted for their outstanding quality. Project members are encouraged use them as examples of good practice and to note their different writing and organizational styles.

Full list: Wikipedia:WikiProject Paranormal/Recognized content

This is a list of recognized content, updated weekly by JL-Bot (talk · contribs) (typically on Saturdays). There is no need to edit the list yourself. If an article is missing from the list, make sure it is tagged (e.g. {{WikiProject Paranormal}}) or categorized correctly and wait for the next update. See WP:RECOG for configuration options.

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Articles for deletion

13 Jan 2025 – Kozyrev mirror (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by ජපස (t · c); see discussion (9 participants)

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14 Dec 2024 – Flying saucer (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by Rjjiii (t · c); see discussion

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Ghosthunting.dk

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This entire unreferenced article appears to be mostly promotional in tone. Interestingly, the article seems to say that it has significant coverage in the Danish media, but zero examples of this supposed coverage are actually cited. -Samoht27 (talk) 23:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Organizations, Paranormal, and Denmark. -Samoht27 (talk) 23:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. From a quick google search of "ghosthunting.dk" I find no sources worth considering, ignoring the Danish articles that I can't read. guninvalid (talk) 23:50, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kozyrev mirror

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Alerted to the article by WP:FTN. Apparently already deleted from Russian WP for lack of reliable sources, the sources being used in this article seem similarly unreliable. Maybe we could have a section in tinfoil hat or something? Maybe? Color me dubious. jps (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Paranormal and Russia. jps (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Previous !votes on the last AfD in favor of keeping this article claimed that there were sources discoverable, but the reliability of those sources are questionable. Just because a source exists is not enough. Reliability is paramount when it comes for WP:FRINGE subjects. jps (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If there are still questionable sources in the article, they should be tagged? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think all of the sources are questionable? That is why there is a tag at the top. jps (talk) 18:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That tag says "Some of this article's listed sources may not be reliable." So not exactly in line with your view. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a better tag for "All of this article's listed sources may not be reliable"? jps (talk) 19:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the removal of any doubt, it might be better to just tag them all individually? I'm not aware that's prohibited. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done jps (talk) 21:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's been almost two years. If reliable sources were out there, they would have been found by now. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 18:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect to Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev#Kozyrev mirror. Even the WP:FRIND sources I could find [1] only give it a passing mention, and that's not enough to construct a stand-alone article. - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev.Halbared (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect to Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev#Kozyrev mirror as suggested above, while merging no content. Material that is supported only by unreliable sources is not compliant with policy, and so preserving it by a merge would be against policy. XOR'easter (talk) 20:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No reliable sources. The section it is proposed to redirect to seems to have the same problem. Brunton (talk) 08:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Does not belong in Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev either because of WP:ONEWAY. If I invent something that is based on nonsense, then claim it is based on Einstein's theories and call it "Einstein perpetual motion machine", it does not belong in the Einstein article. Another reason why it does not belong there is that the sources do not become better just because they are in another article. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you deny that such an entity was ever constructed, whatever nonsense it was based on? What should be included at Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev is a separate debate, of course. I was unaware of the "Einstein perpetual motion machine". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, I do not deny it; I have no idea whether it was constructed. There is no connection between existence and relevance for Wikipedia articles, so I do not see the relevance of the question.

What should be included at Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev is a separate debate If the result is "merge", there needs to be content to be merged. If all the content of the current article is unuseable anywhere, there is no point to merging it, so it is not a separate debate.

And it is no wonder that you were unaware of something I invented on the spot for the purpose of reasoning on this page. --Hob Gadling (talk) 12:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure how something you have invented is a valid argument. It looks a little like a straw man. There is already material about this subject at Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev, so I think it's perfectly fair that a separate discussion takes place about that at its Talk page. I am not trying to argue that the mere existence of anything justifies it having its own Wikipedia article. I'm trying to suggest that in this particular case some readers will want to know what a Kozyrev mirror is/was and why it might be described as "pseudoscience". Few people believe in the tarot, but we still have an article about it. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a straw man, it's an analogy or an example. Most of the time, examples help people understand a concept, but I guess it did not help you but instead confused you a real lot. The concept I wanted you to understand is that per WP:ONEWAY, any material about a crazy thing named after a famous or notable person by some random non-famous and non-notable person does not belong in the article about that famous person. The K-mirror material that is already in the K article does not belong there either for the same reason. (Yes, I know, this is not the place to talk about material in the K article, but since it is used as a reason for including even more such material by merging, I need to mention it.)

some readers will want to know is weak reasoning that overrides neither the lack of reliable sources nor ONEWAY or the rest of WP:FRINGE. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your clarification of the analogy. Yes, I understand WP:ONEWAY, but if a crazy thing is widely known about, but has no association with the person after whom it's been named, I still it think it's useful for people to be told. A slight limitation in your analogy might be the relative fame of Einstein and Kozyrev. Additionally, yes, "some readers will want to know" may be weak reasoning, but "nobody will ever want to know" seems equally flawed. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect to Nikolai_Aleksandrovich_Kozyrev#Kozyrev_mirror. There is no Russian-language article on the device, only Spanish and Latin. 5Q5|^✉ 12:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We don't judge the validity of en:wiki pages against their existence at other langauage wikis. There are 6,939,880 articles here. Not quite so many at the other language sites? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In this case, the Russian language article was deleted for there being no non-fringe articles on the subject. That is telling. ru:Википедия:К_удалению/27_февраля_2019#Зеркало_Козырева — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 19:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is the point I was trying to make. If it is a Russian invention, used in Russia, named after a Russian, and not notable enough reference-wise for Russian Wikipedia, then why would it be notable for a stand-alone article in English WP? I would certainly have voted Keep if the situation were otherwise. My advice is to republish if the referencing needs are met in the future. Versions of the article are available in the Internet Archive going back to 2010. 5Q5|^✉ 12:19, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: From what I can gather, Kozyrev, the physicist, had nothing to do with the mirror. He did have very wonky ideas, but had no part in inventing that silly thing. So I don't know if it's appropriate to have a section in his biography about it. If it is to be mentioned in his article - big IF, there - it should be no more than The Kozyrev Mirror, a pseudoscientific/esoteric device invented in the 1990s was named after him by (its creator, can't find his name right now), who claimed it was based in Kozyrev's theories. or something along those lines. Surely someone can come up with something better. And that's if a good source can be found for that. VdSV9•♫ 13:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I find it intriguing that this thing was ever constructed, and more importantly, how people thought there was evidence that it worked. Another possible place for the information might be Extrasensory perception. I wonder have you read the 2004 book The Men Who Stare at Goats by Jon Ronson? Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev#Kozyrev mirror. Not a lot here. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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