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A fact from 181 Montague Street appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 July 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that during the construction of 181 Montague Street in New York City, each of the building's columns was pulled by 14 horses?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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181 Montague Street

... that during the construction of 181 Montague Street in New York City, each of the building's columns was pulled by 14 horses? Source: "Big Columns of American Stone". Stone. Vol. 36, no. 2. February 1, 1915. p. 77.
- ALT1: ... that the columns of 181 Montague Street had to be installed using derricks even though the building was just two stories high? Source: "Peoples Trust Company in Handsome New Home". The Brooklyn Daily Eagle. March 25, 1906. p. 64.
- ALT2: ... that when 181 Montague Street was built, it was called one of Brooklyn's most elaborate structures? Source: "Peoples Trust Company in Handsome New Home". The Brooklyn Daily Eagle. March 25, 1906. p. 64.
- Reviewed: WOTF-TV
- Comment: more hooks later

Created by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 658 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 15:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: TheNuggeteer (talk) 12:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Country

It seems that there are conflicting views on whether we should include a country when talking about NYC. Just a few minutes ago, @Largoplazo removed a mention of the country from this article, saying it's unnecessary to mention the US when discussing NYC. However, @Canterbury Tail just added a mention of the US to the article on the building next door, 185 Montague Street, with the reasoning the country is more important than the state when talking about New York.

Since these two articles are fairly similar (both are about buildings in NYC), I think these edits should be discussed collectively. Should this article and 185 Montague mention the country, or not? – Epicgenius (talk) 19:45, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Every location should have what country it is in. We shouldn't assume that everyone knows New York is in the United States. Leaving it out could lead some to think that New York is its own country or other confusions (believe me I've seen and heard that kind of thing many times.) I don't believe major cities should require a sub-national entity under the country however. At the end of the day it's an article about something else, so only the basics are needed. But it is my firm belief that all locations should have the country they exist in, and remember that infoboxes are not required and articles should be complete without reference to the infobox. Canterbury Tail talk 19:51, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It just seems to me that the same logic applies as is behind part of MOS:OVERLINK. Adding the country to New York City is kind of like linking "New York" in every article that mentions it: there's point where the reader is likely to know what's being mentioned. And that can vary by place, it doesn't have to be uniform. I'd expect, for example, that, even while taking MOS:OVERLINK into consideration, it would be considered much more reasonable and useful to link Suva than it would be to link New York City in the same place. Largoplazo (talk) 22:37, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to both of you for your feedback. Largoplazo, my feeling is that, while most people might know that NYC is in the US, it may still be worth mentioning the country in some cases. As Canterbury Tail says, there's the outside chance that people might think NY is its own country (which it currently is not). But since this chance is quite low, I suppose we can do without the country mention in both articles. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:55, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I, on the other hand, don't feel that strongly about it. My general approach is not to be more wordy than necessary, as unnecessary verbiage interrupts the main flow. But I also see your point. If you re-add it, I won't object. Largoplazo (talk) 23:16, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I would never ever link United States. It's a specific example for Overlinking and is incredibly rare that that needs to be linked. Canterbury Tail talk 03:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]