Talk:2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship

Merge 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championships into 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship

I think that 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championships should merge into 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship. They are duplicate articles, and this article at 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship is the better one.

70.24.251.158 (talk) 12:42, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Support a merge to whichever is the correct event name (the difference is only an S). We don't need two articles on the same thing. Melicans (talk, contributions) 16:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Strong Speedy Merge and Move to 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championships The reason why the 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championships page was created is because that was the Officail name for the event per Indycar.com and was Red Linked on many pages so the creator of that page assumed it was not created already not realizing the article was in the wrong spot. I therefore sugguest a merge and move done as speedy as possible due to the nature of the Current Event. 166.205.136.85 (talk) 17:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Delete it. I made that page without realising that one already existed. My mistake. I've removed most of the content from that page and already worked it into this one. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 20:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Merge this article into the plural title per Melicans. The TV broadcast schedule on indycar.com confirms that the official title uses the plural. jcgoble3 (talk) 20:56, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Merge, but leave page as it is: the IndyCar.com site is obviously in error because the broadcast and official race logo refer to it in the singular.--ChrisP2K5 (talk) 00:12, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Comment Since all info in the plural article has been merged to here, this article is in far superior shape, and there is no opposition above to the basic idea of a merge, I have WP:BOLDly redirected that title to this article so we don't have duplicate articles. This is not an endorsement of the singular title (in fact, I have !voted for the plural above), so discussion on which title to place the article at can continue. jcgoble3 (talk) 03:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Comment There seems to be some confusion as to who hit whom, and where every was in relation to each other on the track. This youtube video breaks the whole thing down: /watch?v=Vl0PiqB-U3I Kerrywsmyth (talk) 22:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Lifting the throttle?

The article says: "Wheldon was still traveling at race speed when the accident happened and did not lift off the throttle, running over E. J. Viso's car (though Paul Tracy believed that Wheldon had hit him)." However, some Youtube videos of the crash (for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVu7iTf59SQ) clearly suggest that Wheldon did lift the throttle at least partly since his cars engine revolutions is heard falling just before the view is switched off his incar camera. 88.112.58.50 (talk) 20:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

YouTube is not an RS, and all the other sources claim Wheldon was traveling at a high rate of speed. Ergo, he would not have lifted off the throttle. --ChrisP2K5 (talk) 00:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

YouTube wouldn't be the source. The ABC telecast would be the source. However, it is inconclusive, and only the car's blackbox data (which has not been released yet) will be the definitive source. Just saying that he was "traveling fast" has no bearing on whether he lifted or not. The statement as written has no basis in proof yet. Doctorindy (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, since we're not likely to get a definitive source for a while, I've removed the claim altogether. We can always re-add it if a reliable source surfaces. jcgoble3 (talk) 23:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't watching the race and I haven't researched it, but there's also a chance that Wheldon could have panicked and failed to take his foot off of the throttle. I know from personal experience that this is possible.--SmokeAkin14 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:20, 19 October 2011 (UTC).

Personal experience? So you're a professional IndyCar driver? Or at least a professional race car driver with high bank oval experience? Staying in the throttle is actually a crash avoidance technique. If you're on the bottom and the cars are crashing into the outside wall in a turn, the law of gravity indicates that due to the banking the crashed cars will slide down the track aka through your path. So if you're on the bottom you want to stay in the throttle and avoid the wreck by driving through while the crashed cars are still in the outside wall and haven't slid down yet. Regardless, we don't have the definitive source yet which will be the telemetry data. N419BH 06:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Never said I was a professional driver and I know about the technique. I was merely stating that he might've panicked and as a result his foot froze on the throttle, but then again, like you just said, we don't really know. We'll have to wait for the explanation to arise. Maybe there was some form of mechanical failure.--SmokeAkin14 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC).

Viso and Wheldon both tried to avoid the trouble by staying very very low – that worked until Meira got sideways and collected Kimball and Viso. Wheldon now had absolutely nowhere to go (you can't move further below the white line at this speed because the car pushes). The time between JR crashing into Cunningham and Meiras car starting to whiggle – this leaves absolutly no room for controled reactions. About the 5 salut laps: The car of Alex Tagliani is missing there as he also drove for Sam Schmidt (in fact Alex drove the William Rast car that day!). The 19th car is James Jakes, his car was only slightly damaged by collecting debris. --TheK (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image

Hello. Would it be better to change the current image of the track to this over head view? -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 00:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Probably not. All other IndyCar race articles from the past three seasons have either a diagram of the track (most common), the race logo, or no image at all. Not one race report since 2009 (and quite possibly before that as well) has a photo in the infobox. Therefore, I'd lean towards leaving the current diagram in there for consistency with other articles. Now, if you want to replace all of the diagrams with photos, that's a different discussion that I'd have to seriously consider. I'd suggest taking that to WP:AOWR, but that project seems to be inactive (they still list 2010 as the current season), so WP:MOTOR might be a better place to have that discussion if you want to. jcgoble3 (talk) 00:59, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Good888 (talk · contribs) 15:40, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Lead section

• Just wondering why there is a source in the lead?

•  Removed --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Report

• "The races at Homestead and at the International Speedway Corporation tracks were removed from the schedule following the 2010 season." Link the 2010 season.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

• "Franchitti was eighteen points ahead of Power, retaking the championship points lead from him with a second-place finish at Kentucky Speedway two weeks previously." Possible you could link that race?

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

• "The race's honorary grand marshal was skateboarder Tony Hawk, who gave the command to start engines." Isn't it "to start the engines" or am I mistaken?

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

• "Tony Kanaan, driving the #82 GEICO Dallara for KV Racing Technology" Link Dallara.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

• Add an image of Tony Kanaan, noting that he qualified on pole.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

• Remove the qualifying and the scoring when abandoned tables in this section. Read below for the reason why.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

• Can you add the details of the laps before the crash?

• Honestly, it was as simple as three-wide racing all throughout the field, nothing truly notable happened first as the crash took place so early in the race. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 20:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Reactions

• "At the time of his death, Wheldon had been working with IndyCar officials to develop the ICONIC chassis, with the intention of improving safety in the sport." I would perfer you put the citation at the end of the sentence rather than right in the middle. You don't have to do this however.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

• "On December 9, 2011, IndyCar decided that they were not going to return to Las Vegas for the 2012 season." Link the 2012 season.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

• "with Dario Franchitti, Oriol Servià and Alex Lloyd the most vocal opponents." Dario Franchitti has already been linked.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

• "1979 Formula One World Champion Jody Scheckter, whose son Tomas was involved in the accident" You already linked Tomas Scheckter.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

• while NASCAR Sprint Cup Series champion Jimmie Johnson called for the series to leave oval racing altogether," You already linked Sprint Cup Series.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

• "though Formula One driver Anthony Davidson downplayed the influence of the prize" Link Formula One.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

• "One was Scott Speed, who previously ran open-wheel Formula One cars for Scuderia Toro Rosso" Unlink Formula One.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

• "and for Team Red Bull in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series in 2009 and 2010." You already linked Sprint Cup Series.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

• "Dario Franchitti and Chip Ganassi Racing had been planning to test the 2012-spec Dallara chassis at the circuit in the week following the race." Dario Franchitti and Chip Ganassi Racing have already been linked.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Classification

• I think a classification section is needed here. Add the qualifying and race results in this section.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Standings after the race

• I think this section is needed too. Add the championship standings here. Yes, I know that no points were awarded due to the tragic accident but I think readers will still want to know the standings.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

• Add an image of Franchitti, noting that he won the championship.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

References

• Ref 9 is broken for me.

•  Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Going to place on hold for now. good888 (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, @Good888:, for the reviews of so many motorsports articles. Your reviews are much appreciated. I'll be quite busy tonight and I'm uncertain I'll be able to edit much at all (I have two exams tomorrow and real life comes first for me, of course), but I'll fix these as soon as I can. Regarding Ref 9, I have searched for an archived copy and cannot find one anywhere, which is why the Racing-Reference one is included. Would you like me to remove the ref entirely or tag it with ? Thanks, --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 20:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

@Bentvfan54321: No problem. As for the dead link, try finding another reliable source. If not, you might as well tag it with . good888 (talk) 09:52, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

@Good888: I believe all issues have been resolved. Thanks again! --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@Bentvfan54321: I just found one more issue. I think the qualifying section could be expanded a bit. Perhaps you note the drivers that qualified in the top ten? Once that is done I will promote this article to GA class. good888 (talk) 10:03, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@Good888: Done. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 14:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that's fine now. Promoting to GA class. good888 (talk) 15:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria due to a lot of uncited paragraphs. Is anyone willing to address this concern, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 01:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

This article has several uncited paragraphs, including almost the entire "Background" section. Z1720 (talk) 13:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Pinging @MasterAlSpain: as it looks like much of the unsourced text (in "Background" especially) was added through their three edits here, which added nearly 14,000 bytes to the article. It appears some references were added during these edits, but unless other sources can be found for the paragraphs missing citations, much of that material is liable to be removed if it remains unreferenced. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 13:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging and pointing out the missing references on the added information. I've now solved this issue, so all relevant paragraphs are properly referenced. Further references may be added in the next few days if necessary. MasterAlSpain (talk) 14:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@MasterAlSpain: Thank you for your swift response and for taking care of these! @Z1720: If you have further concerns about the article in its current state, please don't hesitate to raise them here. It's been almost a decade since I put this through GAN, so I certainly understand if it could use some cleanup. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 18:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bcschneider53: There is still lots of uncited information. WP:GA? states that there should be a citation at the end of each paragraph, minimum. I also think the lead needs to be expanded so that all major aspects of the article (typically everything with a level 2 heading) are mentioned. Z1720 (talk) 13:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. Currently working on adding references to every paragraph while extending the lead. There's also room for improving and optimizing the text without losing any relevant information. MasterAlSpain (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Delist work seems to have stalled and there are still numerous uncited statements. Z1720 (talk) 02:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.