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Text and/or other creative content from this version of 2023 Brazilian Congress attack was copied or moved into Reactions to the 2023 Brazilian Congress attack with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

Not moved, 8 January 2023, from 2023 invasion of the Brazilian Congress to 2023 Brasilia protests, see discussion.
Procedural close, 9 January 2023, from 2023 invasion of the Brazilian Congress to January 8 Brasilia attack, see discussion.
Moved to 2023 Brazilian Congress attack, 10 January 2023, from 2023 invasion of the Brazilian Congress to 2023 invasion of the Praça dos Três Poderes, see discussion.
Not moved, 3 February 2023, from 2023 Brazilian Congress attack to January 8 Three Powers Plaza attack, see discussion.

Bolsonaro completely involved

see https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/13/americas/brazil-federal-police-election-result-bolsonaro-intl-hnk/index.html Elinruby (talk) 02:13, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CNN is a leftist news network, not exactly a reliable source as they do speak in favor of the left. 月夜丸ゼロ (talk) 14:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alert: incoming details

Brazilian editors have produced another article based on recent events. Mathglot and I have been cleaning up the English, and at this point aren't quite done adding in the some of the more analytical English-language sources. El País has a timeline of events for example. (yes, in English)

The two articles do not need to be merged as this article covers the day of, and the new one covers the conspiracy, which really cannot be questioned at this point. But when for example the lede of this article says that the rioters hoped to set off a coup -- Bolsonaro's aide has made a statement that Bolsonaro had already tried, but the Brazilian Army refused to cooperate. There is video of Bolsonaro telling his ministers to question election security. Etc.

I am not sure who if anyone is watching the page, but those are just two of several important development being described over there which should at some point be interlinked into this page. Elinruby (talk) 10:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Brazilian attempted coup plot Elinruby (talk) 11:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also relevant:2021 Brazilian military crisis Elinruby (talk) 01:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

January 6th in see also section

Greetings all. I have made the bold decision to add the January 6 United States Capitol attack to the see also section of this article, per WP:IAR and MOS:SEEALSO. I am aware that this decision is in violation of MOS:NOTSEEALSO's guidance against including articles that have already been mentioned within the article.

In my opinion, it is very clearly obvious that the January 2023 events in Brazil are extremely similar to January 6th, and therefore reasonable to include under the "common sense" principle within MOS:SEEALSO on a basis that outweighs the aforementioned guidance within MOS:NOTSEEALSO. Both were right-wing to far-right insurrections (or riots, depending on your interpretation) based on false claims of voter fraud (and other overarching conspiracy theories) in order to extend the expiring presidential term of a boisterous right-wing populist. Furthermore, both were hilarious failures in an identical way, as walking around an empty government building and posing for pictures is not enough to seize power of a liberal democracy. Anyone who has any sort of idea regarding what happened during these two events can connect the dots and see that they are parallels of each other.

I find these connections too overbearing to not include it in the see also section. It would be a more reasonable exclusion if January 6th was mentioned at length within the article, but the mentions are far too short for them to have a huge impact over the article. Many readers of this article will not read these sections, and rather just skip to the see also section, so it is reasonable for it to be mentioned here. Excluding January 6th from the see also section is merely an appeal to authority that does not recognize that MOS:NOTSEEALSO is largely irrelevant to this article. GLORIOUSEXISTENCE (talk) 06:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should always follow WP:NOTSEEALSO. That keeps things simple. I agree that the events are very similar, but I don't feel that is an argument for or against because either way the event is included on the page. Hope that makes sense. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:35, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not "simple" and should not be treated as such. Other arguments were made besides the similarities between the events. GLORIOUSEXISTENCE (talk) 09:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BRD applies here. Please self revert until you have consensus. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vehicle falling in the water

From the recent edits, I see there are uncertainties about what really happened to the vehicle. I know a text report would be ideal, but I found a video footage. It seems the gear was left engaged making it fall into the water. But this is just my speculation.

Youtube Video footage.

-- Arthurfragoso (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 January 2025

It has been proposed in this section that 2023 Brazilian Congress attack be renamed and moved to January 8 Brasília attacks.

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2023 Brazilian Congress attack → January 8 Brasília attacks – Per its native name. The legislative, judiciary and executive buildings are equally attacked and damaged. WP:COMMONNAME: [1] [2] [3]. ArionStar (talk) 03:03, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support – The only concern I have is the possible confusion it could have with January 6, but that concern doesn’t in my opinion rise to the level of actually opposing this move; it just weakens my support a bit. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 20:13, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Muscovite Mule's alternative per nom --RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Sociology/Social movements task force, WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, WikiProject Law Enforcement, WikiProject Sociology, WikiProject Brazil/History of Brazil task force, WikiProject Brazil, and WikiProject Politics have been notified of this discussion. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:51, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The article has used dmy dates since its creation. → 8 January Brasília attacks ? Moscow Mule (talk) 16:26, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support alternative name per Moscow Mule. Since this article use DMY dates from its creation and its native name also use DMY dates, why not move that to the alternative name? 103.111.100.82 (talk) 23:05, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The day article in Wikipedia uses MD: January 8. What's the preference in this case? ArionStar (talk) 01:20, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:DATE and WP:DATEOVER might be helpful. Useful information there. Moscow Mule (talk) 15:52, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Like "7 March Speech of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman", for example? ArionStar (talk) 20:43, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of 7 July 2005 London bombings, but yes. Further examples abound. Moscow Mule (talk) 04:21, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]