Talk:2024 Lebanon electronic device attacks

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 December 2024

Under the Heading "Casualties" the article states that Al Jazeera, a pro Muslim and historically anti-Jewish, Anti-Israel newspaper states that "the Lebanese Labour Minister from Hezbollah, said that over 4,000 civilians were injured from the attacks.[12]" and does not follow up to state the fact that the Labor Minister, Al Jazeera and Hezbollah all consider Jews and Israel their arch nemesis. There are many articles from sources like the Lieber Report, the West Point military strategy magazine Lieber or The Center for Strategic Studies who speak about in their article that Hezbollah's command and control were disrupted by the pager attack, thus verifying that if you were carrying a Hezbollah pager, you were likely Hezbollah operative. Many other articles if you peel away from the lock step media (CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times, Al Jazeera, AP, Reuters and PBS.) find the attack to be the most precision attack cause mass casualties to a military opponent in History, with minimal civilian collateral damage. LionofYehuda (talk) 07:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: I have added additional context to the Background section explaining that Hezbollah and Israel are historic enemies. If you want any other changes made, please request those changes in a Change "A" to "B" format. Thanks – Anne drew 22:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

CBS journalism deep dive 3 months on

Looks like there is a 15-minute deep journalism TV segment being aired later today by the CBS News journalists at 60 minutes. Appears it will include interview with a pseudonymous Israel Mossad agent. Here's the source for the upcoming segment, but not the segment itself: Israel’s Mossad learned Hezbollah was buying pagers from a company in Taiwan, and in 2022 started its pager plot. Sunday, a retired Mossad agent, key to the operation, explains how they made pagers explode., CBS News, 20 December 2024. Could potentially have some newly uncovered information in secondary source media that could improve the article. N2e (talk) 14:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Link to the full 14 minute interview segment: The Pager Plot, CBS News, 22 December 2023, retrieved 23 December 2023. It was actually with two retired Mossad agents, including the commander of the project at Mossad.

Here is a print journalism source from a military analysis publication about revelations about how the operations pager/walkie talkie attacks were planned, based on the Mossad agent interviews: Ex-Mossad Agents Reveal Details Of How They Turned Hezbollah’s Communications Devices Into Bombs, The Warzone, 23 December 2024. This source may be easier to use than the video source for improving the article. N2e (talk) 02:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Death damage to the milita/terror org

At this two days: https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/bj7izdk6r 2.55.163.47 (talk) 06:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

People described as 'Hezbollah fighters' in the lead

Hi

I've seen something I beleive to be missleading or at least innacurate in the lead paragraph. It says the pager explosions "injured 1,500 Hezbollah fighters and 4,000 civilians". My understanding is this is incorrect, that the people injured included soliders from Hezbollah, but also others associated in some way to Hezbollah including medical staff and others. I think that the word fighters is missleading and the majority of readers would understand this to mean soliders. Is there a better and more accurate way to describe this set of people? Unless I have missunderstood and the medical staff and others related to Hezbollah are counted in the civilian statistic? Either way the use of the word fighter is not very clear.

Later in the article it explains that most of the people carry the pagers were not soliders which implies the 1,500 people includes those who were carrying pagers but were civilians.

On 26 September, Abdallah Bou Habib, Lebanon's Foreign Minister, confirmed that most of those carrying pagers were not fighters, but civilians like administrators. Qassim Qassir, a Lebanese expert on Hezbollah, said the attacks mostly struck civilian workers, leaving its military wing largely unaffected.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 12:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

These two numbers have different provenance. One is the official position of Lebanon/Hezbollah and the other was provided to Reuters by an unnamed Hezbollah official. I don't think we can (or should, per WP:OR) try to reconcile them. We should report what RS report and attribute the numbers that we cite. Alaexis_¿question? 22:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Confusing language in 'injuries section'

Hi

I've found something in the injuries section which are unclear. I don't know much about the topic so I'm leaving my comments here and hopefully someone who knows more can address it. It currently reads "An unnamed Hezbollah official told Reuters 1,500 Hezbollah fighters were taken out of action by injuries". 'Taken out of action' isn't a very clear way of describing the injuries, the source states 'many having been blinded or had their hands blown off', so perhaps 'maimed' would make more sense?

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 12:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

FWIW, the source says they were put out of commission [1]. Alaexis_¿question? 22:09, 10 January 2025 (UTC)