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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that in 1940, 40 Wall Street (pictured) in New York City was worth less than its elevators had cost?

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What floor does the building start at?

Someone told me that the building's first floor is called 14th floor so that the people who rent space will pay higher for the quote and quote 84th floor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.235.249.80 (talk) 18:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 05:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Height dispute

This mirrors the more recent Petronas-Sears controvery:

"They pointed out that the observation deck in the Bank of Manhattan Building was nearly 100 feet above the top floor in the Chrysler Building, whose surpassing spire was strictly ornamental and essentially inaccessible"

Wikipedia's data lists the "top floor" of the Chrysler Bldg at 899ft and the "antenna or spire" of 40 Wall Street at 927 ft. While that does leave open the possibility that the Bank retained the "highest floor" title, the margin would have been far less than 100 ft. jnestorius^(talk) 22:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Building Name

I see no basis to have the page name be "The Trump Building". At best, there is conflicting information on what the building's "official" name is. The building's website is "40wallstreet.com". The web page itself refers to the building as "40 Wall Street - The Trump Building" and Trump.com refers to it solely as "40 Wall Street". My view is that the page should be moved to "40 Wall Street - The Trump Building". Thoughts? ButtonwoodTree (talk) 18:12, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Moved back to original page name, someone boldly moved it but I agree there is no good reason for it to be called that when sources call it 40 Wall St. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 16:20, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Inside Trump’s Most Valuable Tower: Felons, Dictators and Girl Scouts

"[T]he 72-story building has housed frauds, thieves, boiler rooms and penny-stock schemers since Trump took it over in 1995 in what may be the best deal of his career. No single property in his portfolio is more valuable than 40 Wall St., according to a Bloomberg valuation of his assets last year. And no U.S. address has been home to more of the unregistered brokerages that investors complain about, according to the Securities and Exchange Commission’s current public alert list.[1] 108.2.61.158 (talk) 16:38, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trump as Owner

This article states that Donald J. Trump is the owner of this building. This information is wrong. His company, 40 Wall Street LLC is only a leaseholder. Trump d/b/a 40 Wall Street Development Associates LLC entered a lease with owners Nautilus Real Estate, Inc. and Kinson Properties, Inc. on 12/05/1995.^[1]^[2] 40 Wall Street Development Associates LLC then transferred the leasehold to 40 Wall Street LLC on 07/20/1998. ^[3] Per the cited documents both 40 Wall Street Development Associates LLC and 40 Wall Street LLC are headquartered at 725 5th Ave, New York, New York, which is also known as Trump Tower, the headquarters of The Trump Organization. The building is owned by some wealthy Germans. ^[4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.125.196.2 (talk) 21:30, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 21:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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40 Wall Street

... that in 1940, 40 Wall Street (pictured) was worth less than its elevators had cost? Source: NY Times 1956
- ALT1:... that 40 Wall Street (pictured)'s leasehold has been owned by presidents of the Philippines and the U.S.? Source: The Real Deal 2017
- ALT2:... that 40 Wall Street (pictured) competed with the Chrysler Building for the title of world's tallest building, and ultimately lost the title one month later? Source: Tauranac, John (2014). The Empire State Building: The Making of a Landmark. New York: Scribner. p. 131.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Likelike

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 04:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: First hook preferred. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 18:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ownership of 40 Wall Street land and building

The source, the Landmarks Preservation Commission's December 12, 1995, Designation List] says on pg. 7:

"In April 1960 the property's fee was transferred to the Metropolitan Life Insurance Co. for twenty million dollars.

("property's fee" in this context refers to the type of ownership of the land and the building on it), followed by information on the owners of the leasehold on the building. The next paragraph then says:

The fee of the property was acquired in 1982 by a group of investors headed by Walter Hinneberg, Jr.

followed by another sale of the leasehold. I.e., the land and the building on it, is owned by the German consortium headed by Hinneberg. Trump bought the leasehold on the building from its then-owner Kinson Properties in 1995. He pays rent for the ground lease to the Hinnebergs and collects rent from his tenants in the building. Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 19:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article already says this: Webb and Knapp sold the property to the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company in April 1960 for $20 million. I've linked and glossed the word fee now; I don't know why I didn't do this before.

The reason the fee and the leasehold were discussed together was to keep everything in chronological order. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was a tad confusing until I read the designation list. Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 20:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gilding the spire

@Epicgenius: Re removal of renovation: it's unsourced. The cited source about owners applying gold leaf to Manhattan roofs: According to Joseph and Ralph Bernstein, gold leaf has definitely increased the value of their Crown Building, opposite Trump Tower and Tiffany's. "Comparable units in the area would probably go for a third less than the rentals we are getting in our tower," said Joseph Bernstein. He and his brother are now considering the possibility of gilding the spire at 40 Wall Street. Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 20:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The part about the gilding is not unsourced, it's just that the source talks only about gilding the roof. My bad about the renovation, though; that claim must have gone undetected at the FAC. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://a836-acris.nyc.gov/DS/DocumentSearch/DocumentDetail?doc_id=FT_1450004941645

[2] ttps://a836-acris.nyc.gov/DS/DocumentSearch/DocumentDetail?doc_id=FT_1330004941633

[3] ttps://a836-acris.nyc.gov/DS/DocumentSearch/DocumentDetail?doc_id=FT_1780006169478

[4] ttps://therealdeal.com/2017/01/06/meet-the-obscure-german-magnates-who-actually-own-trumps-most-valuable-building/

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