Talk:Abd Rabbuh Mansur al-Hadi

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Romanization of name?

Are we sure this version of the vice president's name is WP:COMMON? I've seen a lot of different spellings, but rarely this one off Wikipedia. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

His name should be romanized Abd al-Rahman, I have no idea why it's Abd al-Rab in the title of this article. The article should be changed, but I don't know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.16.131.185 (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, all of the name information in this article is incorrect. According to the Arabic Wikipedia his name is actually Abd Rabbuh, not Abd al-Rahman or Abd al-Rab. I'll change the information in this article, but someone needs to change the title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.16.131.185 (talk) 16:03, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Abd al-Rab is actually Abd Rabbuh

The name of the new president of Yemen was consistently mistranscribed in his article. I fixed that, but the title of his article still uses the old (and completely baseless) transcription and I can't figure out how to fix it. Help! 93.16.131.185 (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK I'm seeing different transcriptions in all the sources we cite. I am happy to move the article, without prejudice to another move if consensus comes up with a different transliteration. Rich Farmbrough, 23:40, 30 November 2011 (UTC).[reply]

... So, is it Abd Rabbuh or Abd Rahman? Ender and Peter 03:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Arabic Wikipedia his birth name is Abd al-Rahman but he goes by Abd Rabbuh. Search results for Abd Rabbuh Mansur al-Hadi (عبد ربه منصور الهادي) are many orders of magnitude more numerous than search results for Abd al-Rahman Mansur al-Hadi (عبد الرحمن منصور الهادي). His name should be listed as Abd Rabbuh in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.16.131.185 (talk) 01:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I had a little search around for different romanizations, and I've added a "find sources" notice at the top of this talk page. Using the Google News links from those, this is what I got:

"Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi" - 540 hits
"Abdrabuh Mansur Hadi" - 185 hits
"Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi" - 151 hits
"Abdo Rabbo Mansour Hadi" - 24 hits
"Abd al-Rabuh Mansur Hadi" - 0 hits
"Abd Rabu Mansur Hadi" - 34 hits
"Abdu Rabbu Mansour Hadi" - 14 hits
"Abd Rabbuh Mansur al-Hadi" - 0 hits
"Abd al-Rahman Mansur al-Hadi" - 5 hits

~~I think "Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi" is the obvious page title choice based on this, unless there's a romanization I've missed.~~ It is also the search term with the most hits on Google web search. Please note that the same search can turn up results both with and without hyphens, but that doesn't seem to be a problem for "Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi", as the vast majority of the instances of "Abd-Rabbu" are hyphenated as far as I can tell. There is also the problem that the searches also return non-English results, but hopefully this won't bias the results too much. Based on this I'll move the page over to "Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi" and create redirects for the other ones. If there's any evidence/arguments that I have missed, please let me know. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 09:48, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I can't move the page for technical reasons. In that case, I'll wait and see if there are any objections to the move, and then ask an admin to help. Or maybe we should just take it straight to a requested move? — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 09:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not familiar with Wikipedia's rules or accepted best practices regarding transliteration of non-Latin-alphabet names. Insofar as we want to hew as close as possible to an academically-accepted scheme of Arabic-to-Latin transliteration, however, and taking into account the fact that Mr al-Hadi himself does not appear to have a "preferred transliteration" that he uses consistently, I would argue that Abd Rabbuh is the best choice. His name in Arabic (with diacritics) is عَبد رَبُّه: ʿa-b-d ra-bbu-h. The two words are separated by a space, not connected by a hyphen, as they are two separate words (as is the case with, for example, the names Abd al-Rahman or Sayf al-Islam). The h at the end of his name is not a silent letter, it is pronounced like an h. The spelling Abd Rabbu implies that the final letter of his name is a و (w), which it is not. Furthermore, the transliteration of long u as ou is not used in any systematic Arabic-to-English transliteration scheme. From a purely linguistic standpoint it seems to me that Abd Rabbuh is the strongest transliteration available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.16.131.185 (talk) 21:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, and thanks for the reply. I've been doing some digging around, and I've found that we have some unofficial naming conventions that are relevant to this case - Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Arabic) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Arabic. Although they are not marked as official naming conventions, from looking at their talk pages it appears that many editors are using them, so they seem like a reasonable standard to use in this case. Because of this it is probably safe to ignore my previous comment about Google News hits. Instead, it looks like all we have to do is to use the standard transliteration, which will save us a lot of worry about sourcing, etc. However, I don't speak any Arabic at all, so I have no idea what the standard transliteration is here - would you be willing to check for me? Regards — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 08:34, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. His name in Arabic is spelled عبد ربه منصور الهادي (or at least this is how it's spelled on the Arabic Wikipedia). According to the "standard transliteration", this should be transcribed ‘Abd Rabbuh Mansur al-Hadi. The strict transliteration should be ‘Abd Rabbuh Manṣūr al-Hādī. It would also be possible to transliterate his first name as ‘Abd Rabbihi or ‘Abd Rabbih, hewing more closely to Classical Arabic grammatical conventions, but as this is not how the name is pronounced it doesn't seem appropriate.

Morphologically his first name is comprised of the following parts: ‘abd = servant, rabb = lord, -uh = third person singular masculine possessive suffix, meaning something along the lines of "servant of his lord" 93.16.131.185 (talk) 04:43, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This RfC should probably be deactivated now that 93.16.131.185 has covered pretty much all aspects. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 11:36, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Saleh is President according to incumbant Yemeni authorities.

It is a bad thing that Wikipedia underrepresents the official view of incumbant Yemeni authorities that Saleh is still President. СЛУЖБА (talk) 23:33, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of Him?

I see pictures of him with a simple Google Image search.. but they're all non-free.. I'm not all too familiar with licensing and such. Could someone get one uploaded?--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 22:57, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]