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Ireland vs. Italy

About a month ago, I changed Italy's chart placements on the table to Ireland. It was reverted back and I did not have the energy to restore it. I'm starting this talk to re-convene, because I still think that Ireland should be on the table. There are several articles about how Grande has numerous Irish chart records to her name, and her presence there is far more noteworthy than it is in Italy. Ireland is also a bigger market for American artists. It is also on the table for numerous American pop and R&B musicians such as Britney Spears, Taylor Swift, Demi Lovato, Justin Bieber, etc. I'm open to having a conversation about this, thus why I created a talk page for it, but there is no good reason as to why Ireland should not be on the table over Italy.

RfC for whether album sales for Positions and Eternal Sunshine should be added to table

Should the sales for the albums Positions (Oct 2020), and Eternal Sunshine (Mar 2024), be added to the sales column of their table entries in Ariana Grande discography? Data is sourced from Billboard for the first two weeks of Positions and Luminate's official mid-year reports for 2021 and 2024. Flabshoe1 (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For additional context, here are the sales in the original way they were cited in the table:

Positions US sales: 158,000

Sales of Positions in the United States, including its first week (42,000),^[1] second week (8,000),^[2] and sales between January 1 and July 1, 2021 (108,000).^[3]

Eternal Sunshine CAN sales: 6,000

Sales of Eternal Sunshine in Canada as July 1, 2024.^[4]

Flabshoe1 (talk) 20:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes include numbers with sufficient context, which you did. StewdioMACK (talk) 15:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, include sales numbers. Billboard and Luminate Data are appropriate reliable sources for this purpose, and the figures are WP:DUE for inclusion here since this is a discography article. As long as the table makes clear the time period for which the figures apply (which it did), I don't see any reason not to include the figures. Aoi (青い) (talk) 09:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes include numbers with attributed timeframes; they're adequately backed up and discographies should cover related figures like this whenever such data can be credibly sourced. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Caulfield, Keith (November 8, 2020). "Ariana Grande Claims Fifth No. 1 Album on Billboard 200 Chart With 'Positions'". Billboard. Archived from the original on November 8, 2020. Retrieved November 9, 2020.
^ Caulfield, Keith (November 15, 2020). "Ariana Grande's 'Positions' Spends Second Week at No. 1 on Billboard 200". Billboard. Archived from the original on November 8, 2020. Retrieved November 16, 2020.
^ "MRC Data Midyear Report U.S. 2021" (PDF). Billboard. Archived from the original (PDF) on July 22, 2024. Retrieved July 13, 2021.
^ "Luminate Midyear Music Report 2024" (PDF). Luminate. Archived from the original (PDF) on July 22, 2024. Retrieved July 16, 2024.

Certifications

@Ben0006 Update those certifications on each article of her studio albums.

Finland, source (last section, translate in English): https://www.universalmusic.fi/2024/03/08/ariana-granden-seitsemas-albumi-eternal-sunshine-on-nyt-julkaistu/

My Everything, Dangerous Woman, Thank U, Next: 3× Platinum Sweetener: 2× Platinum Positions: Platinum

New Zealand, source (search her name): https://www.radioscope.co.nz/2024/00/00/album-cert-search/ My Everything, Dangerous Woman, Thank U, Next: 3× Platinum Sweetener, Positions: 2× Platinum Mirrored7 (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stream-equivalent sales

Hello! I just did some editing regarding the sales of Ariana's albums and singles. I noticed that there are figures that should not be included, such as the sales-equivalent units, figures, and streams. As per Wikipedia policy, only the pure sales should be included so these adjusted sales figures should be removed. Also, I removed the Japan sales in the 'Sales' column since the country is not listed in the columns of 'Peak chart positions'. There is a person under the following usernames that keep on reverting my edits and using such adjusted figures:

I warned this person he/she keeps on doing disruptive edits. Can anyone block his/her? 143kittypurry (talk) 17:59, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Singles Sales

I have a question: why are we including a column for sales on the singles tables, especially in the 2020s section? Some songs only show first- and second-week sales, which don't accurately represent their total sales. Additionally, equivalent units aren't included, but in reality, most sales today come from streaming, not direct sales or song downloads. I think this column is both misleading and unnecessary. We should either count equivalent units or remove the column altogether. What does everyone else think? Swe97 (talk) 02:45, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Since the songs are split up by decade, it makes sense to only keep the sales column for the 2010s but not the 2020s, where most of a song's performance is streaming-based. Flabshoe1 (talk) 14:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good take. I don't understand why the UK and worldwide units were removed. Most of her sales are streaming-based and Grande is an artist that came right after the digital era was ending. The numbers don't reflect her commercial success. From what I've heard, only pure sales are allowed in the column. A certain user has been removing her units and is adding first week sales, which doesn't really make sense, as streaming is counted in mostly of them too. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:01, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. Saying "We Can't Be Friends" sold only 14,000 units worldwide when it has been streamed over 1.2 billion times in Spotify alone is crazy. So, do we agree on removing the column for the 2020s singles table? I also think it's time they allowed equivalent units to be listed in the sales columns, especially for artists like Ariana, whose sales are primarily driven by streaming, and digital sales have virtually become obsolete nowadays.--Swe97 (talk) 00:18, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree to both too. Is there a specific rule that says, that only pure sales should be added? I was wondering, as there has been user who has been removing them in the last days, with the explanation, that they are not allowed in the column. See the discussion he opened above. Mirrored7 (talk) 03:21, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Swe97 and @Flabshoe1 So are you for re-adding the UK units? Some user removed them saying only pure sales should be added. What do you guys think? The removed numbers are a better indicator of her success there. Mirrored7 (talk) 00:49, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Caulfield, Keith (November 8, 2020). "Ariana Grande Claims Fifth No. 1 Album on Billboard 200 Chart With 'Positions'". Billboard. Archived from the original on November 8, 2020. Retrieved November 9, 2020.

[2] Caulfield, Keith (November 15, 2020). "Ariana Grande's 'Positions' Spends Second Week at No. 1 on Billboard 200". Billboard. Archived from the original on November 8, 2020. Retrieved November 16, 2020.

[US_Midyear_2021-3] "MRC Data Midyear Report U.S. 2021" (PDF). Billboard. Archived from the original (PDF) on July 22, 2024. Retrieved July 13, 2021.

[Midyear_2024-4] "Luminate Midyear Music Report 2024" (PDF). Luminate. Archived from the original (PDF) on July 22, 2024. Retrieved July 16, 2024.

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