This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Chicago, which aims to improve all articles or pages related to Chicago or the Chicago metropolitan area.ChicagoWikipedia:WikiProject ChicagoTemplate:WikiProject ChicagoChicago articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations articles
This article has been given a rating which conflicts with the project-independent quality rating in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.
I shouldn't have to say anything to oppose this speedy other than the fact that I clearly already added a source tag.
(We have bots doing speedy now? Soon we'll just have bots deciding RfDs and RfArs for us. Then it will become the collection of all robot knowledge instead of human knowledge. Awesome! :P ) - Keith D. Tyler¶20:43, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the copyvio bot ought to be shut down until it can recognize material from the public domain. It is a sign of the times that this occurs. I have a feeling that there are far too few human editors working things like new articles. However, "Big brother is watching!". Stormbay (talk) 14:12, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To find that the material was CC licensed, I had to dig into a part of the site that the bot wouldn't see. I've never written a bot, but most of them are probably comparatively simple and just save time on repetitive or boring tasks, rather like the macros and .BAT and .EXE files I used to write. The copyvio bots have to drop text into Google (or somewhere), see what comes up, look closer at something that matches, and then tag the article and notify the author. I can see how that can be programmed, but not how to get them into a page that is accessed from a link on the text page. They find the site - we accept or reject AFTER looking at the site. Not purely because the bot says. You CANNOT recognise public domain or licensed text just by reading it. Only if the CC-BY-SA licensing is mentioned ON THE PAGE could the bot find it. Peridon (talk) 16:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I am "missing" the "good old days" when the tedious editing gave rise to real dialogue amongst editors. However, I do recognize the value of the bots. I personally do all my editig old style. I tagged a copyvio yesterday by looking for references and finding the source verbatim. Cheers! Stormbay (talk) 17:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I find a lot of copyvios myself - sometimes through being sensitive to the way things are worded. Before I became an admin, I never used anything automated. Well over 10,000 edits. I use Twinkle now, but only because I'm in control of it. And I leave personal messages (sometimes because the templates are bland and I want to be rude to someone...) Peridon (talk) 18:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
