Talk:Chinese garden
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[edit]This article is severely under cited.
The future of this article
[edit]I propose the direction this article should take several sections based on the existing and better japanese garden article.
- History an explantion of the historial context the gardens developed in, the needs they served, the evolution of garden styles within that context and why they formed and their relationship to chinese architecture and agriculture and art
- Design both concepts and elements with an explanation of why each element exists and its relevance to chinese culture
- In depth section on each of the three main styles of gardens citing famous case-study examples with a full explanation of the social and historical relevance of that particular style.
- a well organized image gallery to illustrate specific concepts of chinese garden design and should be labeled as such
I think there is enough text existing in articles on specific chinese gardens to expand this article. I would further recommend the amount of pinyin, logograms, and chinese proper names be kept to an absolute minimum as it really starts to affect readablity, this is a very general article. --Gurdjieff (talk) 10:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Moreover the English is stilted and sounds...foreign for lack of a better word. More emotional and frilly than is appropriate for an encyclopedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.84.58.144 (talk) 19:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Correct Term?
[edit]There needs to be a clear English translation for 绅士This was the social class that staffed the civil service of the Chinese Empire(s). So far in literature I have seen: Scholar-bureaucrats, scholar-officials, scholar, bureaucrats, officials, literati, gentlemen, intellectuals, gentry, scholar-gentry, civil-servant, ect.
yet, according to existing Wikipedia the correct translation is: Scholar any thoughts on this? --Gurdjieff (talk) 12:18, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
About the character 園
[edit]The character 園 is a phono-semantic compound, with 袁 as the phonetic component and 囗 as the semantic component (see etymology). The stuff about 園 in the article is incorrect (and unreferenced). Therefore, I'm removing it and its inferences. Asoer (talk) 01:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
table of gardens
[edit]The following table was in the article under the section "The classical gardens of Suzhou" and it does not seem finished... I will place it here, in case someone still wants to keep and edit it. Cold Season (talk) 07:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Other gardens of Suzhou | |||
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Name | Address | Image | |
English | Crane Garden | Suzhou University | |
Pinyin | hè yuán | Cānglàng District, 708 Rén Míng Lù | |
Chinese | 鹤园 | 清 韩家巷 708 | |
Other | Access: Restricted to Students | 31°17′51″N 120°37′16″E / 31.2975448°N 120.6211915°E | |
English | Satisfying Garden | ||
Pinyin | kě yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 可园 | 苏州大学南校区内 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Cozy Garden | Construction Company | |
Pinyin | chàng yuán | Cānglàng District, 22-1 | |
Chinese | 畅园 | 城西妙 庙堂巷 22-1 | |
Other | Access: Owner's Permission | 31°18′20″N 120°36′38″E / 31.3054927°N 120.6104949°E | |
English | Firewood Garden | ||
Pinyin | chái yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 柴园 | 城中醋库巷 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Joy Garden | Suzhou Parks | |
Pinyin | yí yuán | Pingjiang District, 1265 Rén Míng Lù | |
Chinese | 怡园 | 江苏省苏州市人民路1265号 | |
Other | Access: Entry Fee | 31°18′27″N 120°37′17″E / 31.3075979°N 120.6214910°E | |
English | Conceled Garden | ||
Pinyin | tāo yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 韬园 | ?? | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Established Garden | ||
Pinyin | zhí yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 植园 | ?? | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Admiring Garden | ||
Pinyin | mù yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 慕园 | ?? | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Garden of Swallow | ||
Pinyin | yàn yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 燕园 | 清 常熟城内辛峰巷 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Great-Grandparents Garden | ||
Pinyin | zēng yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 曾园 | 明 常熟城内翁府前 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Garden of Zhao Kingdom | ||
Pinyin | zhào yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 赵园 | 清 常熟城内曾园西 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Laughing Garden | ||
Pinyin | xiào yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 笑园 | 清 苏州城西升平桥弄 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Tranquil Garden | ||
Pinyin | jìng yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 靖园 | 清 苏州城外虎丘云岩寺左 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Hackberry Garden | ||
Pinyin | pò yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 朴园 | ?? | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Opening Garden | ||
Pinyin | qǐ yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 启园 | 席家花园 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Garden of Residual Grain | ||
Pinyin | cán lì yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 残粒园 | 清 苏州市装驾桥巷 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Dark Garden | ||
Pinyin | huì yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 晦园 | 清 苏州城内东美巷市十七中内 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | gù jiā huā yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 顾家花园 | 清 苏州城内申庄前4号 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Beneficial Shade Garden | ||
Pinyin | huì yīn yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 惠荫园 | 明、清 十五中内 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | duān běn yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 端本园 | 清 黎里镇 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | Zigzag Brook Garden | ||
Pinyin | qǔ xī yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 曲溪园 | 明 东山镇马家底 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | tuì sī yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 退思园 | 清 同里镇 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | ?? yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 静思园 | 吴江市目谰洲 元 盛泽镇 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | ?? yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 乐荫园 | ||
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | ?? yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 古松园 | 灵岩山馆 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | ?? yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 乐荫园 | ||
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | ?? yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 塔影园 | ||
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | ?? yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 万氏庭园 | ||
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | ?? yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 默园 | 紫兰小筑 | |
Other | Status (public/private) | ||
English | ?? | ||
Pinyin | ?? yuán | pinyin here | |
Chinese | 张家花园 | 翕圃 | |
Other | Status (public/private) |
About headers
[edit]About the section headers, it may be useful to look at MOS:HEAD, especially the first bullet point, which advises against repeating the page name in the section headers. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Classical Chinese gardens
[edit]I do not agree with assimilating the expression "classical Chinese garden" to the article on Chinese gardens. This term is vague and there is no real definition of what is or is not classical (does it have chronological limits, if yes which? Or regional limits? Or is it a question of relative quality, in which case who decided on the criteria?). And for what it is worth, the term "Chinese garden" itself has been criticised, but it would be complicated to enter in this debate on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josepha Richard (talk • contribs) 18:50, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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