Talk:Congestion pricing in New York City

Push to get the legislation passed, the Traffic Mobility Review Board, changes to legislation

There is a lot that needs to be done with this article with the passing of yesterday's budget. There have been changes to the plan, such as the designation of NY9A and the West Side Highway as free routes, reportedly at the request of Jeff Dinowitz. An article from the Daily News notes that it would increase the fee to reach the target, and as it would require toll-taking equipment to be located at 30 more locations.

@Epicgenius: Do you think a section with the current plan should be separated from the 2017 plan? Also, exemptions should be noted.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:33, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, Sure. I thought these were part of the same plan, but maybe the actual proposal that passed should be spun off. epicgenius (talk) 12:51, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

can someone please teach me how m i supposed to write here regarding this article.

if nypd will pull someone over off the exit will they have another charge by the toll ez pass ??!

A fact from Congestion pricing in New York City appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 June 2007

why is this still up their i mean it passed alreay BetterThen ever (talk) 06:36, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Old DYK appearances, GA nominations, etc., are always shown at the top of the talk page. The message is displayed because the article has already appeared on DYK. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Congestion pricing has been implemented for several years

Hi, there's a sentence "As of 2023, congestion pricing is scheduled to be implemented in early 2024" in the introduction of the article that I find innacurate. Congestion pricing in NYC has been implemented for years, the first step being a congestion fee for cabs and Uber (mentioned in a paragraph below called "Initial plans and delays"). Basically, if you're below 96th Street, by just sitting in a cab, you're charged around $3 as a congestion pricing. This was part of the congestion pricing initiative (there has been protests about it back in the day), it is labelled as congestion pricing. It was the first step. --Deansfa (talk) 13:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

The majority of sources do not describe the taxi/rideshare fee as part of the congestion pricing scheme, but as a separate charge. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Additions regarding the "temporary pause"

The Governor's decision for a "temporary pause" is very notable, and warrants a lot more detail in this article. More details on the back and forth with the legislature/elected officials, on the Governor's thinking, how she came to a decision, the legality of her action, and implications of it should be noted. I have been sifting through just over 100 different news sources from the past week to add more information to this article, and have started to draft information for a new section in this article here. More sources are to be added, and the different sources need to be synthesized together. Also, I will weed out some details that likely will not be relevant, and will try to keep in mind WP:RECENT. I generally have tried to stay away from more in the news topics in recent years, but felt that I needed to step in here given the importance of the issue/and the attention it has gotten. @Epicgenius:, thanks for your work on this article over the years. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 11:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: I will add that, at 190,807 bytes, this article will likely need to be split at some point. Perhaps a new article titled History of congestion pricing in New York City or an article on the more recent congestion pricing proposal should be split off-with more of the details currently in my sandbox included there. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613, you are welcome. And I agree regarding the information about the temporary pauses. I've only been able to add a summary about Hochul's decision, but there's a lot more that can be said about this.

As to the page length, the readable prose size is about 48198 characters (7677 words) "readable prose size". The size guideline recommends that editors consider splitting after 9,000 words, though the guideline doesn't really mandate a split until about 15,000 words. This page isn't quite as long as the History of the Second Avenue Subway article was when the SAS page was split. However, it may be worth splitting off the older proposals at some point as well, since there is also a lot to be said about 20th-century tolling and congestion reduction efforts. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely; I have come across various sources about the 1970s-era efforts for congestion pricing, and other efforts to toll the East River (and sometimes even Harlem River) Bridges. We will get close to 9,000 words soon enough. There was also the plan post-9/11 to implement either HOV-3/4 restrictions into Manhattan (I can't remember off-hand) that might be worth mentioning. I am currently consolidating/cutting down information that I have found so far to add about the pause. Thanks again. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Map

@Epicgenius:, this month MTA Open Data uploaded a more defined polygon file for the Central Business District area to be tolled, which should probably replace the file on this page. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up @Kew Gardens 613. I've updated the map now. I also removed a few shapes that have zero roads (whoever created this map probably drew this as one large shape, then cut out the FDR Drive, West Side Highway, and some of the bridges and tunnels). – Epicgenius (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)