Talk:Darling Be Home Soon

Removed cn templates

There were citation needed templates which I have removed. They were on two recordings of the song only. No recordings have citations.

These versions are documented in the articles on the linked albums. There seems no reason to single them out as needing sources. Andrewa (talk) 02:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Other Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources (WP:RSPWP). Tkbrett (✉) 13:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

True but irrelevant. The point is, why discriminate against these two? Andrewa (talk) 08:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have referenced the cover versions which charted. I don't really see the point in referencing the others; they are all listed in the album articles. Track listings for albums are rarely referenced - it is usually very easy to look up the information on the net, but hard to find an acceptable "reliable" source. I mean, do you question any of the information here? It may not technically meet requirements for referencing, but I don't think any harm is being done here.Brianyoumans (talk) 16:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

By WP:COVERSONG, a cover is not worth mentioning simply because it happened. It needs secondary source coverage, not just a reference to an album's liner notes. Tkbrett (✉) 17:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not true. The album cover is a primary source. It can be used in this way. Andrewa (talk) 08:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Er, not quite. Try giving WP:COVERSONG a read. One of the possible requirements is the rendition is discussed by a reliable source, showing that it is noteworthy in its own right. Merely appearing in an album track listing, a discography, etc., is not sufficient to show that a cover version is noteworthy; cover songs with only these types of sources should not be added to song articles, either as prose or in a list. While a tracklist or personnel listing can source an album's liner notes (WP:TRACKLIST and WP:PERSONNEL), this is not the case with cover versions. Tkbrett (✉) 13:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that the fact that a song has been covered multiple times by notable artists and/or has had other versions which charted multiple times is in itself a notable fact about a song. I guess one nuance is whether a song article is an article about that song - which has been my assumption - or is about a particular version of that song. But, I'm not sure I have the energy to launch a big crusade to modify the rules here. Sigh.Brianyoumans (talk) 21:08, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not necessary to change the rules, just to interpret them correctly. There is no notability requirement for article content. The requirement is simply verifiability. Notability only applies to articles. Andrewa (talk) 08:11, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is also untrue. At WP:COVERSONG, a cover must meet at least one of the two possible requirements. I quoted one above which uses the word noteworthy, while the other actually uses the word notability: the rendition itself meets the notability requirement at WP:NSONGS. Tkbrett (✉) 13:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So, is this a matter which has been discussed at WP:Songs or WP:Music? Could you give me a pointer to the discussion? It seems like it should have been. If not, maybe we should bring it up there.Brianyoumans (talk) 16:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you mean. WP:COVERSONG is the standard set in the Songs WikiProject's style guide. If you mean you're wondering when it was first discussed and added to the guide, the archives are searchable on the WikiProject. Tkbrett (✉) 17:20, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I posted some questions about this to the WP:Songs talk page.Brianyoumans (talk) 20:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is the actual name of this song

All the record covers and record labels I've seen call it 'Darling Be Home Soon', rather than 'Darlin'...' It would be a major headache to change but I can't see any source for the 'Darlin'...' title anywhere. Davidnicholsknowsbest (talk) 08:39, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I wonder if the confusion is because of the b-side, "Darlin' Companion". Doctorhawkes (talk) 08:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I could not find any instances of "Darlin'", so it seemed uncontroversial to move this article, which I just did. Tkbrett (✉) 11:57, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I wrote this article a long time ago, and, looking at the references, I agree with you. It looks like I might have gotten the "Darlin'" spelling from the 5th reference, the Feb. 7, 1967 Billboard - but that has the title as "Darlin', Come Home Soon". Brianyoumans (talk) 18:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In my defence, I can find one or two other instances where it is spelled "Darlin'". The Tedeschi Trucks Band release spells it that way, for instance. But "Darling" is obviously best.Brianyoumans (talk) 20:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As penance, I have fixed many of the instances of the name in other articles, with the exception of a few where they really did seem to spell it "Darlin'".Brianyoumans (talk) 21:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]