Talk:David Marshall (Singaporean politician)

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What now is Baghdad?

I've just changed the text "what now is Baghdad" to simply "Baghdad". Clearly Baghdad is millennia old, so it would have been called that at the time of Marshall's birth. Possibly his parents lived in a town that was later incorporated into Baghdad, but I have no indication of that. Does anybody else know? Groogle (talk) 05:30, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hebrew name

Since his family was Arabic-speaking Iraqi and he does not appear to have ever spoken Hebrew fluently, and neither his first nor last names are Hebrew names, it doesn't seem appropriate to me to transliterate his name into Hebrew, without good evidence that he did so himself. Cadairidris (talk) 18:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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– The article on the Singaporean politician is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Pageviews shows that [1] this article remains the most popular. Although the Scottish footballer is the second highest in views, the spike is him announcing his retirement, which will most likely result in the Singaporean politician remaining the primary topic. Actuall7 (talk) 12:47, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: page views actually shows that there is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 08:02, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't it fit WP:PT1 and WP:PT2? The politician is the most popular in terms of pageviews, even after the spike in the footballer's views. I also believe that the politician has more long-term significance than the footballer, especially since the footballer is now retired. Actuall7 (talk) 09:57, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The page views only establish that the politician is the most viewed most of the time, not that he is "much more likely than any other single topic". And they say nothing about long term signiifcance, where this is joust your opinion. There's no clear primary topic here and the current sitation correctly reflects this. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 10:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While I can understand the views only showing that it is the most viewed, does the politician not have longer-term significance as compared to the footballer? The politician founded two significant political parties (LF and WP) and served as the inaugural head of government from 1955 to 1956. Given that the WP is still a major political party, does this not show long-term significance? He was important in the early political history of Singapore, and is still considered important. Actuall7 (talk) 10:36, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per comment by nom above about being the founder of two major political parties, which I think shows the long term significance required by WP:PT2. S5A-0043🚎^{(Leave a message here)} 13:36, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – I don't think an average daily Wikipedia view-count difference of 70 between the proposed target and another target counts as "usage [that] is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined". The primary topic policy is not a question of which topic can beat the others by a small margin in terms of Wikipedia views, but if a topic is highly likely to be referenced when using the name, at all times, anywhere. For example, I live in Vancouver, Canada, and anecdotally (so, not actually applicable) the Scottish footballer and local artist are more well known, but algorithmically in my localised search results on Google, Bing, etc., they are prioritised as well. David Marshall is such a standard, common Western name – there are 14 David Marshalls on Wikipedia spanning five or six nations and a century of history, and David Marshall the Singaporean politician gets to be the primary topic off of an average view difference of 70 in the past couple weeks? Yue🌙 20:17, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said previously, I now believe that it is the primary topic due to its long-term significance, not only based on its pageviews. I also understand that what people consider to be the primary topic vary from region to region. However in terms of WP:PT2, I find the politician to be the primary due to his long-term significance. In his article, it describes him as a founding father and his contributions definitely show why he should be considered the primary. Actuall7 (talk) 00:54, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]