Talk:Eastern Indo-Aryan languages

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@Austronesier: I hope you will have a look at Eastern_Indo-Aryan_languages#Eastern_Magadhan and correct the classification. I messed around mostly with Odia and dialects and moved a few others here and there, according to Glottolog and Cardona and Jain (2014). Thanks! Chaipau (talk) 11:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very illogical tree list. Bangali, Varendri, Sundarbani, Manbhumi, all developed separately from Standard Bengali/Rarhi just like Sylheti and Chittagonian. Dhakaiya Kutti developed from Bangali. UserNumber (talk) 17:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with UserNumber, the upper part of Bengali-Assamese also has major divisions which should be mapped into the tree. Remeber that Masica even wrote that the difference between standard Bengali and Chittagonian is bigger than between standard Bengali and Assamese. –Austronesier (talk) 19:39, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@UserNumber and Austronesier: Yes, absolutely. I see there have been edits and it all looks good to me now. Thanks for the comments and the edits. Chaipau (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@UserNumber and Austronesier: Maybe we could explain Dhakaiya Kutti language a little more. This is because it is now given in parentheses after Bangali (ethnic dialect). The issue here is that Bangali should not be listed here, according to your assertion; and as this article demonstrates, there is a separate Bangladeshi standard [1]. Chaipau (talk) 15:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kutti is pretty much a creole between Bangali and Urdu. The Bangladeshi standard is not very different to the West Bengal standard, both coming from Rarhi. UserNumber (talk) 16:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Msasag: This page is primarily about the genealogical classification of language varieties and dialects, not about their sociolinguistic status. Have a look at West Germanic languages: there you have a similar situation where sociolinguistic language borders and dialect units based on historical-comparative classification do not overlap. I would actually welcome if UserNumber could add something about the internal structure of Bengali-Gauda according to modern sholarship. I am only familiar with Chatterji, but I know there is more recent literature out there. –Austronesier (talk) 18:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Austronesier: Ok. It seems Bengal-Gauda is used on glottolog (where it's a mixture of Grierson and Toulmin's classification). SK Chaterjee treated Rarhi, Vangiya, Varendri as separate groups just like Kamarupi. He included Odia under Rarhi. I wonder which classification this one follows because it seems to be unsourced. Msasag (talk) 02:10, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]