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Links to the publisher's page for each of the books to which he has contributed

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I am currently writing an article about an artist called Emy Kat of which is one of the notable prominent artist in the photographic medium and does not like or encourage using much interent exposure and has gladly accepted to let me make an article in Wikipedia

Wanted to ask Wikipeida about external links, I am aware of the guidelines. the links i wish to include is for Books by Graphis publications the books on the site of Graphis do have the price tag next to them even though some are sold out and cant be directly bought since they are no longer available, could I still use the link to point out those books ?

user:emykat

I have deleted the links as they were presented as if they would be informative but none actually says anything whatever about Kat or his contribution(s) to the book. If you like, each could be readded like this:
<ref>The publisher's page describing the book is [http://blahblah here].</ref>
I have removed the assertion that one book is a collectors' item. Used bookstores love to call books "collectors' items"; this is meaningless. (Similarly, I know of one dealer that earnestly and systematically calls every pre-1950 book it sells "scarce", "rare", "very rare", etc. They're free to say this; I'm free to set my spam filter to junk all their messages.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Substantial, reliable sources?

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The further I look at this article, the flimsier it looks. Where is the independent, disinterested coverage of Kat? Not material by him, not material by people trying to sell his work, but instead newspaper or magazine articles or similar? So far I have seen nothing whatever. -- Hoary (talk) 08:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After I asked the main author (formerly called User:Emykat) to improve the sourcing, I was dismayed to note that some assertions appeared on the subject's blog as support for what was already written here.   Will Beback  talk  01:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Color Awards" aka "Photography Masters Cup"

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Our man has won one award. Its website doesn't make it easy to find out about it, but it's explained here and on the pages linked from that. It all looks rather dodgy to me (less a real award, more a business in which hopefuls pay $35 per chance to add to their resumes something that people won't have heard of but that sounds vaguely impressive), except that the names of the panel of judges are given and they aren't nobodies. -- Hoary (talk) 08:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I looked into that too and was left scratching my head. It looks like there are many award winners. There are a few discussions of these contests in forums which indicate others have wondered about them.
My grandmother once paid about $35 to have one of her poems published in a grandly title compilation of poems written by people who paid $35. She received a small plaque as an award, which may have called her a "champion poet" if I recall correctly.
I think that if the notability of the subject is the issue then they aren't sufficient. While winning awards is usually a component of notability, I doubt we have articles about any of the other award-winners. But as for inclusion in the article, they seem harmless so long as we don't make too much of them.   Will Beback  talk  08:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Right. By contrast, Hiroh Kikai and Chris Steele-Perkins have won awards that have their own articles and that have been won by others who do (or should) have articles. Whereas these awards remind me of what's discussed in this talk page, passim. ¶ So our man Kat hasn't published any books, hasn't had any exhibitions, and (more importantly for WP) doesn't seem to have been written up. Where's the notability (in the real-world or WP sense) or the article-worthiness? -- Hoary (talk) 10:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

removal of "sources"

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In this edit I removed a lot of footnotes to "sources".

The article tells us that Kat had his photos in this or that magazine. Click on the link and you see a picture on Kat's website and a caption saying that it's from that magazine.

No. Anybody can write this about himself. What we need is a statement from an independent source that his photos appeared in that magazine. (Or a statement from the magazine itself.) - Hoary (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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