Talk:Glassheart

Redirect?

I don't believe this should be an article until it has a confirmed tracklist and a cover image. –anemoneprojectors– 13:40, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree. There is barely any info at the moment. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 14:04, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I thought this got re-directed? Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 11:31, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Well I've just re-redirected it again... but if people think there's enough there for an article I'm not gonna complain too hard. –anemoneprojectors– 14:35, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

There just isn't enough info yet. Calvin • ^NaNaNaC'mon! 14:44, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

This album doesn't 'deserve' to be an article! The album hasn't even been released and there is even a chance that Leona may scrap it. The track listing might change as well! It shouldn't be an article until the album has been released and there will be something to write about which is officially true. Lovepickle Lovepickle (talk) 16:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Delayed again1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/16738610 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.107.159.49 (talk) 14:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Second Single: Trouble

For anyone who cares I've created an article for Trouble in one of my sandboxes. I think it's notable (quite a lot of information is available about the song). However I dont think it should be created until at least mid-next week when it premieres live. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 02:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I saw you had done it and it looks really good. Yeah I'd wait until the song premieres, because then you will be able to add Composition and Critical receptions sections, which will make it more notable. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 11:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The press release says "Trouble is the first track to be released from Leona’s third album Glassheart." [1] Continuing on from the article in Music Week, while I would not say they rebooted the entire project, there is certainly a conceptual distinction between Glassheart 2011 and Glassheart 2012 that is not reflected in our article. — ThePowerofX 11:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

A reliable source (Gigwise) remarking on the choice of first single. "The track is the first to be taken from Lewis' much anticipated thrid album, 'Glassheart', which follows a week later on 14 October." [2] — ThePowerofX 11:54, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. However Leona has confirmed that "Collide" will be on the album though it might only appear on the deluxe edition. Regardless it still means "Collide" is the first single, however she refers to "Trouble" as the lead single. Lead singles don't necessarily have to be the first or second single... but it is the single that directly precedes the album. Also in the article we discuss how the album was supposed to be released Nov 2011 but was pushed back because it wasn't finished. Also we've said that Fraser T Smith was brought in board in 2012 to oversee the remainder of the production. We have to air on the side of caution because "Trouble" was actually recorded back in 2010/11 so a number of tracks from the earlier sessions could still make the track listing. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 13:49, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

She said that "Collide" might be remixed or reworked for inclusion on the album. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 14:18, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I think we should hold fire until the track listing is released. When that's released it will be obvious then if Collide is a single or not. If it appears on the album in any form, we must refer to "collide" as the album's first single but "trouble" as the lead single. (there's a difference, first single is just the first one to be released, lead is the one directly preceding the album's release). — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 14:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Not unless "Collide" is just a single release? But I do remember her saying that "Collide" might be being reworked in some way to make it different. Even if it's not on the album, it was still a single, but just wouldn't be linked to the album in the info box. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 14:41, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Deluxe Version Image

Someone could just put the Deluxe Version cover alongside the Original? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.101.154.46 (talk) 04:12, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

its not confirmed what the final deluxe edition cover will look like yet. There's a competition to help design it. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 15:57, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Since the album is finally released, its' possible to put the Deluxe version artwork now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.101.130.136 (talk) 13:30, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

✗ Not done, per non-free content criteria, the artwork of CDs and albums are considered non-free copyrighted material. One is alowed in the infobox for identification purposes. To include a second cover there needs to be a sufficient argument that the second cover is drastically different to the first and that its inclusion helps the reader understand the article! — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 16:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, the deluxe version cover is purple or pink? In the official store of leona it shows pink! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.183.64.59 (talk) 23:30, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

My physical copy of the album in deluxe edition arrives today. I'll update as appropriate! — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 09:23, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Stuff that Needs sourcing

Apparently these are our missing credits they're over twitter and various forums but we need proper verification.

• Love Birds - written by Bonnie McKee, Claude Kelly, Ryan Tedder - Ryan Tedder ✗ Not done
• Fireflies - featuring Labrinth - written by Labrinth, Jeff Bhasker, Lewis - produced Basker, Fraser T. Smith ✗ Not done
• I to You - written by Lewis, Al Shux - produced by Al Shux ✗ Not done
• Shake You Up - written by Rodney Jerkins, Olivia Waithe - produced by Darkchild  Done
• Stop the Clocks - written by Noel Gallagher - produced by Steve Robson ✗ Not done
• When it Hurts - written by Smith, Lewis - produced by Smith  Done
• Finger Print - written by LaShawn Daniels, Freddy Jerkins, Crystal Johnson, Rodney Jerkins - produced by Darkchild, Smith (co.) ✗ Not done

— Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 23:56, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Adding information

Can people please check and make sure that if you add information you keep the referencing style consistant? For example Digital Spy is no longer owned by Hachette Fillapachi Media but now by Hearst Media. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 16:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Leona will also tour in Switzerland on 22 April 2012 in Luzern. Could you add this in the tour list? Noble Monrose (talk) 12:14, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a reference?

Critical reception

Caroline Sullivan says "Granted, much of the record is still given over to quaking ballads like Fingerprint – an area where Adele now has the advantage" — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 14:29, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

therefore I think its feasible to say that Sullivan thinks Adele is better at ballads. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 14:29, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

WordWeb defines 'Advantage' as:- The quality of having a superior or more favourable position. Caroline Sullivan did not explain what she meant by this. Adele's second album was received better than Leona's second album? Undoubtedly. But to substitute one word for another and say Adele is 'superior' is a subjective judgement not supported by Sullivan's own limited choice of words. An advantageous position can also be short-lived, hence the 'now' in Sullivan's prose ("an area where Adele now has the advantage"). This must be taken into account. Personally I'd prefer to leave the whole thing out and concentrate on what Sullivan had to say about Leona's music. — ThePowerofX 15:30, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

You're clutching at straws. Its an important comment to make. Its basically saying that Whereas Lewis used to rely heavily on being able to sell ballads and have them well received Adele now does this so Lewis went back to the drawing board for her own sound. Its not our interpretation to make. Its just our job to transcribe what the critics are saying. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 15:52, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

That's the problem. Your original interpretation veered away from what Caroline Sullivan had actually written. — ThePowerofX 16:41, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Dean Piper says "It just still feels like this is an artist finding her feet and working out how to settle into a career with longevity.". Hence its feasible to say that Piper isn't convinced that Glassheart will provide Lewis with career longevity. You can reference and paraphrase things, there's a difference between paraphrasing and twisting what people have said. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 14:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree. But look more carefully at what Dean Piper wrote in his album review: "It just still feels like this is an artist finding her feet and working out how to settle into a career with longevity. And Glassheart is the perfect stepping stone". The text you added to the article was: "Piper concluded by saying Glassheart might not provide Lewis with career longevity". (diff) I'm struggling to understand how you arrived at this conclusion, especially as Piper described Leona's 3rd album as the perfect stepping stone. Perhaps it's because you chopped the last bit off. — ThePowerofX 15:30, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Its called paraphrasing. The critical comment in what Piper said was "how to settle into a career with longevity". The comment I added was along the same lines. Glassheart isn't bad but it hasnt cemented Lewis's longevity either. Anyways it doesn't matter. I've added more review and re-written the section. Its much better now IMO. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 15:42, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

The first part is Dean Piper's premise ("It just still feels like [Leona] is an artist finding her feet and working out how to settle into a career with longevity") and the second is his conclusion ("And Glassheart is the perfect stepping stone"). The only way to establish a career with longevity is to produce well received albums. Why did you divorce these two elements and concentrate only on the first? It's not even a close paraphrase. (i.e. Piper concluded by saying Glassheart might not provide Lewis with career longevity). You understand that Piper awarded Leona's new album 4 stars out of 5, right? — ThePowerofX 16:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

This is now irrelevant as that comment has been removed. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 16:31, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

A virgin media review statement was removed. I was going to replace it with "Horton described Glassheart as a cry for the new 'Bleeding Love' but elaborated that although it was "no disappointment," it was no "thrill-ride" either." Would PowerofX have an issue with this? — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 16:39, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Try and write a summary with consideration for the full sentence: "'Where's the new Bleeding Love?' is the cry. To be honest, it's not here. But that collaboration with OneRepublic's Ryan Tedder was a real one-off, a modern pop spectacular that needn't be repeated in anyone's career." The original wording made it sound as though Leona (or the label) were the ones 'crying out' to recreate Bleeding Love (diff), which is the opposite of reality, but more importantly not said anywhere in Matthew Horton's review. — ThePowerofX 16:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Is the new sentence acceptable?

The sentence in bold? I don't think so. The problem is that Matthew Horton's prose is open to interpretation. Who exactly is crying out for the new Bleeding Love. Leona's fan base, the critics, her label? Horton does not say, therefore it makes no sense to write "Horton described Glassheart as a cry for the new 'Bleeding Love'", particularly when he goes on to say the song was unique and need not be repeated. To be honest, this review is short and there is not a substantial amount to go on. It's better to wait for another review from a quality source. — ThePowerofX 12:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what sort of critical reviews you want to include in the article but Heat gave it 4 out of 5 stars. Basically, they said she sounds incredible on all the tracks, but "Fingerprint" is too slow and "Shake You Up" is the best track ("a legwarmer-worthy dose of '80s disco"), and concluded that it was not "rubbish", having worried that it might be due to the delays. –anemoneprojectors– 16:10, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

"Fireflies" sources

• http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a432450/leona-lewis-announces-new-single-fireflies-its-really-powerful.html

AARON• ^TALK 12:22, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Article too long

This article is far too long. There are much better known albums in the world, e.g. Thriller, that don't ramble on as much as this does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.130.234.15 (talk) 15:03, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

That's not really the point. AARON• ^TALK 15:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you should find more information on those albums. This isn't too long, it's fully comprehensive. –anemoneprojectors– 16:26, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

It does require a copy edit but calling it long is just silly. Its been in production for 2 years so of course there's going to be a lot of information available. The amount of information available is dependent on the quality of the references and sources available. In this case the album has been spoken about a lot by Lewis and her collaborators. Leona Lewis is one of the biggest selling UK artists, its not a surprise that her albums attract a lot of interest even if their success varies commercially. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 18:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Third single confusion

So is it "Fireflies" or is it "Lovebird"? All we know is Lewis confirmed "Fireflies", and gave plenty of background information as to why it was chosen and confirmed a video, plus a lyric video was released, and she performed it live on British TV (Children in Need). She also performed "Lovebird" at an event (Oxford Street Xmas Lights) calling it her next single. People are apparently taking a tweet containing a picture of two birds to mean "Lovebird" is the next single, but I've removed that as it is original research. "Lovebird" is confirmed for released in Spain, but there is a lot of confusion over whether "Fireflies" is actually being a single. Any further thoughts? –anemoneprojectors– 00:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

I originally put that "Lovebirds" is the second single, and lead single for Europe, while "Fireflies" is still a single in the UK. So far, no one has actually confirmed that LB is replacing FF. And at her latest appearance... Children in Need Lewis performed FF not LB. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 11:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

So as far as we know, both are coming out - FF in the UK and LB in Europe? By the way I put third because I was counting "Collide" as the first (because the "Singles" section counts it as the first). –anemoneprojectors– 12:15, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Next single is LB according to [3] and [4] FF seems to have been pulled as radio stations have stopped playing it and are playing LB instead. The video announcing FF as a single has been hidden and she has since announced LB as the next single at the Oxford Street Christmas Lights. Sanders11 (talk) 12:55, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

That's very good confirmation, we even have a release date. Thank you. –anemoneprojectors– 13:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

The only problem being those sources each state a different release date, and word on the street is it has been pushed back to December 10. Hopefully something more concrete is announced soon. Sanders11 (talk) 13:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh yes they do. Well at least we know that it's definitely LB and not FF. Some updating of the article needs to be done. –anemoneprojectors– 13:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Safe say to "Lovebird" is the next single. I've updated the singles section. As for the date, the source from Sony Music says "Lovebird" will be released next week, ahead of the album in Spain. If the album is due 27 November a Tuesday, then for a full chart run this would mean "Lovebird" is released November 20 in Spain. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 15:44, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Releases for counties

I have added France and Italy, but here is:

• Sweden, standard version only
• Brazil, deluxe version only (was released October 15)
• Greece standard and deluxe
• Switzerland standard and deluxe

AARON• ^TALK 23:19, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Per a discussion at Talk:Two Eleven iTunes should not be used. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 15:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

That's ridiculous. iTunes has always been used and will always be used. Where is the rule that says iTunes can't be used? I'm not going to listen to one editor who doesn't like iTunes being used. What is Wikipedia coming to if iTunes, the largest online music store in the world and what the majority of people use to buy music, can't be used. Sorry but this is stupid. AARON• ^TALK 16:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

That was my point also but i do remember it being discussed and there being issues particularly when a song/album is being released in multiple territories at different times. I guess until better references are found they will suffice. When i get chance I'll give the article a copy edit. it needs it. }— Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 22:02, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

It's no different from Amazon then is it? iTunes is digital, Amazon is physical. Amazon has varied release dates too. Not a good enough reason really. AARON• ^TALK 22:19, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

The point is Amazon is both physical and digital and doesn't have a habit of having release dates in the middle or end of a week that don't match chart trajectories. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 16:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Reference 137

Someone please try to fix reference 137. It says there's no text provided for the Scottish charts reference but there is. Unreal7 (talk) 16:56, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

137 should be the same as 143. I don't know how the template {{albumchart}} works but will look into it. I thought I might have fixed it but it didn't work. –anemoneprojectors– 17:53, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a clue what's wrong. –anemoneprojectors– 17:56, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I've raised on the template's talkpage as its something unique to the Scottish chart. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 21:44, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm working on it. It's not my template, but he copied the code from mine. Mine works, his doesn't, but I don't see why not.—Kww(talk) 01:47, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

That happened to me once with the German chart. For some odd reason the template didn't work for that country. Till 02:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I found a fix, and have given it to Hahc21 for testing.—Kww(talk) 02:46, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Copyedit

Per request, hit this. Feedback encouraged! Comments:

• In the Song/lyrics section, Collide needs a little more content.

• In Song/lyrics and sound, the comments are all from the participants, and read more like hype. Better to let third parties describe these areas.

• Much of the material in the singles section repeats that from other parts. I recommend removing the duplication and leaving only ways in which the singles differ from the album versions, if they do. E.g., the Fireflies stuff in the singles section talks about the album version. This issue is too big to handle as a copyedit, and I didn't want to break something.

• Removed lots of overlinking, but there's still lots that could be removed.

Cheers! Lfstevens (talk) 08:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Scarborough

Not quite sure why the Scarborough Open Air Theatre was removed, may be it is not specifically part of the tour for this. But here is the theatre's publicity as one of two open air locations she is performing at this summer. Keith D (talk) 21:45, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Given that there was no reference and that the performance takes place several weeks after the last "Glassheart Tour Date" it seems highly unlikely that the show is part of the tour. Additionally on Live Nation/Ticketmaster the date is not listed with the other tour dates. Hence without an explicit mention of the Glassheart Tour I removed the summer performance. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 22:27, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Just to update you all, the Scarborough date at least (not the Kew date as far as I'm aware) is now listed with the other tour dates on Ticketmaster. And on Leona's official Facebook page (I know Facebook isn't a reliable source, but it is her official page so should still be considered), they have created an event page for Scarborough with the title "Leona UK Tour - Scarborough" here which is inline with all the other event pages they have made for the other tour dates e.g. "Leona UK Tour - Glasgow" etc. Craigizzle (talk) 11:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)