Talk:Hobie Landrith

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hobie Landrith/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Globalwheels (talk · contribs) 14:48, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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Small format issue, external links should be in a bullet point list. Also does career stats need to be under a section 2 heading considering it's just one line with a box and no key. Surely a level three header under playing career would do?

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Fails MOS as for an article this size lead needs to be 3 paragraphs. Plus what was written in the second para imo is somewhat redundant.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Assume good faith for all offline sources.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   On hold for now

OK. I'll give it a shot later this week. I think in expanding the article I actually left the lead almost entirely alone. I won't be able to fix these few issues until Thursday night or Friday, but anyone else is more than welcome to have a go at it. Thanks. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 03:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Just seen baseball-reference.com is a dead link, minor point but worth fixing if you want to go to FA.

Sorry for being late on this. Illness and all that. Wish I had longer than a day to fix this, but I'll see what I can do later today. Thanks-- Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 15:57, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

No rush, no worries take your time :) Globalwheels (talk) 16:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Note – The nominator of this GAN has been indefinitely blocked as a sock puppet of banned user KnowIG (talk · contribs). I recommend that this GAN be quick-failed as a result. –MuZemike 23:53, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the banned user was the reviewer. However, I still think that a new GA review will need to be started by a non-banned user, as IMO it can be uncomfortable for someone else to pick up another's review (though that does happen from time to time). –MuZemike 23:58, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Well that's a major pain in the ass. I feel like the banned user cheated me with this. I'm sure there are extra problems with the article, and I won't have time to get to it all. If the only concerns truly are the ones above by the banned user, I may be able to get to it sometime, but otherwise I'm just not even going to bother since I'm not that good of a writer and I'd much rather spend my time expanding stubs to B-class articles. Anyone at WP:BASEBALL is more than welcome to fix this article's issues since we have so few articles that have actually reached GA+ status, but if no one can help I'm content with this article never reaching GA status. It's already looking like a way too much trouble to be worth it, as I wasn't involved with the nomination to begin with. I need to work on the stub Al Worthington some more anyway. Oh well. Thanks for exposing this fraud user anyway. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 00:25, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

If no one else will take up your review, I can do it. I'd probably basically start from scratch on it. Let me know. --LauraHale (talk) 01:28, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Sucks that there's now a big notice on the talk page that says, "Hobie Landrith was nominated as a Everyday life good article but did not meet the good article criteria at the time." which makes it look like this is a crap article. I asked WP:BASEBALL for assistance, but they didn't respond. This GAN has been marked as failed, and I guess it's just going to stay that way unless someone else comes along and fixes the prose, which I doubt will happen at this rate. Thanks for the offer, but GAN looks like far more trouble than it's worth now. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 17:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hobie Landrith/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 16:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Given the issues the other review had, I'll just review this myself in a few days. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Here are the issues I found through 1952:

• "a Class D advanced simon-pure group." not sure what that is.
• "and help to get Hank Greenberg into shape after Hank returned from military service." I'd remove to and change Hank to he.
• "On February 8, 1949, the Cincinnati Reds signed Michigan State Spartans star catcher Landrith." The article jumps from high school to this sentence. Any info on his college career, or was it so short (which it seems to be), that there was nothing worth mentioning?
• No reason for 1948 and 1949 to be linked in this case, since he wasn't in the majors yet.
• "At the Reds spring training camp in late March, murmurs started to surface that he was the "hottest thing" in camp." This should either be cited or worked in with the rest of the paragraph better, as the following sentences don't make it seem like he was this at all.
• "Landrith again only played in four games," I'd remove only. It's not mentioned in the first season that he played in four games, just here, so that may be worth adding to tie it together.
• "with 4 runs batted in" with four.

Some of it's nitpicky, but I've written/read enough baseball stuff to know what to look for pretty well. Once this is fixed I'll continue on. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:08, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

And here's the rest:

• "a 5 RBI day" five RBI. Look through the article and make sure independent single-digit numbers are written out.
• "10-9" make sure all scores are using ndashes ( – ).
• "He did, however, have one dramatic" dramatic not needed.
• "The mark was good enough for 3rd" third; there are many instances of this in the article that need to be fixed.
• "Hal later reconsidered,[44]" He later. There are several first names uses in this article that need fixing as well.
• "He grounded into only 2 double plays" rm only
• "On July 19, Landrith caught for the historical debut game of legendary Dominican Hall of Fame pitcher Juan Marichal." too sportswritery as written. In fact, several spots in the final three paragraphs go too far in that direction.
• "1961 saw the addition of two" Starting a sentence with a number is generally discouraged.

I only went up to the Orioles section since said issues, especially the tone, are getting iffier the further I read in. I'll keep it on hold another few days, but if nothing's started I'll have to fail it. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 22:34, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I really don't have time to do this right now, as I said before the start of the first review. Anyone else is more than welcome to fix these. Otherwise, please just fail it. Sorry you had to go through all this trouble, but WP:BASEBALL showed almost no interest in it last time I asked for help on getting this to GA status, and I have other things away from Wikipedia I need to tend to. I'm also more than a little sick of this site right now thanks to someone completely derailing the project just to make a point. I don't intend to write or fix articles anymore this year or maybe even next year. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 16:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay. A shame, since it was almost there, but I've learned the hard way it's not easy to find those to edit. If I end up with more time on my end in the future I may make the changes and try GAN myself, but until then ga status will have to wait. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 15:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)