Talk:Homeland Party (United Kingdom)

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In regards the the "self serving" edit

A primary source was to add context for the term "far-right" which used a secondary source , to make a straightforward descriptive statement of the facts, that can be verified by any person. There was no attempt to analyze, evaluate or interpret. The claim is not exceptional. There is no reason to doubt it's authenticity. It does not involve claims about third parties. The article is not based on such sources.

Forgot there was a character limit, posting my full comment in here. GarethDaniels (talk) 22:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

name of article/ organisation

The party name registered with the Electoral Commission is 'Homeland Party' and 'Homeland Party' is used in the URL and masthead for the party website. On social media, the party use the phrase 'Homeland Party' in their account names, but use a logo with just the word 'Homeland'.

The details box, the group are named 'Homeland Party', but the Article is titled 'Homeland (group)'. It seems that the article title is incorrect and should be changed in line with its official registration and own branding.

Is there a reason that the article name is different? Nome3000 (talk) 12:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Section on local councilors/2024 local elections?

Homeland claims to have around 10 parish councilors and is running in the Hart Parish council in May 2024. Perhaps this should be added to article? 49.97.35.122 (talk) 12:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't usually bother with "claims". Parish councillors are the very lowest level of local government and barely notable. If Homeland wins Hart in May, it could be notable, but until then....? Emeraude (talk) 08:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the inclusion of Kristofer Kearney on this page.

The initial source that linked Kearney to this party was a broken archive link; it has now been removed as it did not show the evidence it claimed it did. Therefore, there is no verifiable link between Kearney and this party.

This then begs the question: Why is this relevant to the party?

Kearney was never a member of the party or associated with the party. There is no source that links him to party. His actions and conviction predate the party. There is no evidence that anyone in the party ever met him. He appears to have been in a different country at the time. Nothing in the articles used as sources for his inclusion on this page links this party to him; in fact, they predate the founding of this party.

This is clearly out of scope of the article. GrzegorzNowakowski (talk) 17:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC source clearly calls him a member. — Czello ^(music) 19:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC article uses the word "alleged" to link Kearney to PA but doesn't link his crime to PA directly. The article makes no mention of Homeland Party whatsoever. Again, there is no source that even suggests anyone in the Homeland Party ever met him. If you applied the same standards, every political party page would have a list of unconnected criminals on it.

This is clearly out of scope of the article. GrzegorzNowakowski (talk) 19:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the BBC source, Kearney was in prison at the time of publication (1st March 2023). The Homeland Party was founded on 8th May 2023. The BBC article alleges he was a member of PA, there is no mention of the Homeland Party, or of any members of the Homeland Party having met him. I agree that there is no reason for Kearney's inclusion on this page. Gratewood (talk) 15:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC article does not mention Homeland Party at any point and Kearney's actions/extradition did happen before the Homeland Party was created. Therefore, I am inclined to agree with you. Livelyco (talk) 20:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alec Cave's employment tribunal being a "connection to neo-Nazism"

The idea that people who are not members of the Nation should go home, which is consistent with Nationalism and is not the same as neo-Nazism, being described as "at least in some respects is akin to Nazism" doesn't really sound like it belongs in the "connections to neo Nazism" section, that sounds more like just a slur against Cave's beliefs, it is classic reductio ad Hitlerum. And even then, it's watered down by "at least in some respects". You could argue that a lot of things are "at least in some respects" akin to Nazism because that's such a weak statement to even make. It's a huge reach to include it as a "connection to neo-Nazism" in the article. At the very least some context about WHAT belief was actually being referred to as "akin to Nazism" should be included instead of just omitting it and only including the accusation of Nazism without the thing actually being accused of being Nazism, but really Cave's employment tribunal should be removed from that section altogether.

The full quote from the ruling was:

The claimant’s belief in this form of English Nationalism, as described by him, does amount to an “affront to Convention principles” as outlined in Forstater, because it is a clear breach of article 17; arguing that people without the ancestry as described by the claimant are not part of this nation, to the extent that they should “go home” is a destruction of their rights. This is not just a belief that is shocking, offensive or disturbing to others, though it may well be all those things. It is a belief that, in at least some respects, is akin to Nazism.

The full quote contains context about what was being referred to as "at least in some respects akin to Nazism", at least include that context instead of just putting in a biased accusation of Nazism devoid of any context. 188.29.88.82 (talk) 10:02, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]