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@Nikkimaria: I get that dailymail is not a good source, but in this case the article was quite accurate and not even political. Even so, if it has to be removed, I feel like the content was still good, and other sources support it. Like the paragraph about struggling with insurance before the ACA is something he talked about all the time, and its kind of an important part of his bio. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Asdasdasdff While I'm not Nikki, I did find a source which does echo some of the cited content from the Daily Mail article, I did remove the extra citation from areas where it likely didn't fit, but I hope it still works regardless (this can be rendered irrelevant if the original article is OKed for use) Talthiel (talk) 22:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If there are other sources that support the content, then the content can be added with those sources - but this is a BLP so there needs to be care to reliability and verifiability. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I didn't just want to re-add deleted content (even with new sourcing) without verifying that there wasn't some other problem with the content. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 06:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To elaborate: Talthiel, there are restrictions on what sourcing is considered appropriate for a BLP. While your citation to OR might be correct for another article type, here we absolutely cannot use court records for that purpose. Nikkimaria (talk) 06:11, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But it's not a problematic edit, and like I (probably erroneously) mentioned below, it becomes incredibly difficult to find sources for people at this level of politics, it's not a quotation of meetings of a trial, it's a citation saying a divorce happened. Talthiel (talk) 06:21, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well can you then explain why we can't use court cases, because it seems pretty cut and dry, trial transcripts and other court records weren't being quoted within the article. Talthiel (talk) 06:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's the consensus of Wikipedia editors that these types of sources are not appropriate for BLPs. If you disagree, you're welcome to raise the issue at WT:BLP to see whether there is support for changing the policy. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria I don't really see what is wrong with the usage of sources, they are public records. Additionally, sources for politicians at this level can be incredibly scarce and I don't see how it's harmful to cite a divorce the subject had with a court doc about said divorce, it is a valid citation. Talthiel (talk) 06:19, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Talthiel, the problem is that this is a biography of a living person, and our policy on writing about living people quite clearly indicates: "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person" (emphasis in original). So no, in this context it is not a valid citation, even if it's hard to find alternatives. Nikkimaria (talk) 06:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yet you keep removing more and more valid information in the article, like the fact that Rep. Anderson was married to someone at all, the article is now inaccurate as a result. Talthiel (talk) 06:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If it can't be sourced appropriately for a BLP, then it's not valid to include it. The article isn't inaccurate, as it doesn't claim he wasn't married; it just omits details pending better sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 06:28, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
