Talk:Joe Daniels (horse)

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Date	Process	Result
March 16, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 19, 2011.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the winners of the 1871 Belmont Stakes – Harry Bassett, the 1872 Belmont – Joe Daniels, and the 1873 Belmont – Springbok, were all owned and trained by the same person?

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Reviewer: Canadian Paul 05:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing this article in the near future, hopefully tomorrow. Canadian Paul 05:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

...and here it is!

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Under "Early life": "Dolly Carter was by the imported stallion Glencoe and out of a mare named Brown's black mare Mavis who was sired by Wagner" seems that there is a word missing here.

Unfortunately the stud book entry is "1st dam Brown's black mare Mavis by Wagner" - which is pretty much what I've stated. (First dam is the mother of a foal - in this case, the entry is for Dolly Carter, so her mother is "Brown's black mare Mavis" who was sired by Wagner) Ealdgyth - Talk 12:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The "Racing career" section becomes very repetitive and difficult to read. The words "won" and "race" appear constantly and, while I'm aware that there are a limited number of ways to express these concepts in the proper context, even having two or three different phrasing and alternating them would help with readability here. For example, you can win a race, but you can also capture it, which, even if it sounds a little out of place, is still better than reading a dozen varieties of the word "win" in one paragraph (win, winning, won etc.) Sometimes the same word even happens twice in the same sentence! ("On October 18, 1872, the two horse raced in a three heat race,") Paragraph flow is a bit of a problem in this article overall - many sections read more like a list of facts rather than a narrative about the horse. I think that mixing up the word choice will help a lot in this regard.
Same section, third paragraph "The value to the winner was $4450 (approximately $113,000 today), second place went to Mate and third to Meteor." Either the punctuation needs to change here (perhaps a semicolon?) or this needs to be split into two sentences, because these ideas requires more than a comma to connect them.

I've tried to vary a bit more on the "win" stuff and fixed the last one. Let me know what you think. Luckily, I am not planning on taking this article to FAC. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As usual, I'm allowing for seven days for improvements to be made on the article and will be checking this page daily to address any comments or concerns that you might have! Canadian Paul 04:57, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Much improved now. For the first one, I meant that there was no verb after "Dolly Carter was". Anyways, I believe that the article now meets GA standards and I will be passing it as such. Congratulations and thank you for your hard work. Canadian Paul 05:16, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Horse called Australian

Ealdgyth, if Joe Daniels' sire is the same Australian (GB) that sired Kentucky Derby winner Baden Baden, then it might be worth mentioning that his (their) grandsire was West Australian, the first horse to win the English Triple Crown, (and the Ascot Gold Cup. I don't have a stud book to check.

I have made a few changes to the first four paragraphs to help improve the article.

The passage "out of a mare named Brown's black mare Mavis" must surely mean it was Mavis, a black mare owned by someone called Brown. I have changed it to read that way, but if you think it is incorrect, please change it back. Moriori (talk) 22:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Given the .. eccentricities .. of the early ASB .. I hesitate to make that call, quite honestly. I can dig a bit more and see if I can trace more but it'll be a slog, the early american mares are ... scary. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:18, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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