Talk:Karan Kayastha

Proposed merge with Karan (caste)

It looks like this article should either be redirected to Karan Kayastha, given that it is totally unsourced, or should be merged. Reliable sources mention them as a separate group from Brahmins, whether in Mithila, Odisha or elsewhere. Sitush (talk) 15:06, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

costal = coastal

2603:8000:D300:D0F:ECFD:2826:F5CF:5433 (talk) 23:35, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2022

The history of Shree Nanyadev should be mentioned in more detail and Dr. C.P Sinha's book "mithila under the karnats" should be quoted for evidence and proof of the fact that that after the Karnat empire dissolved due to the attacks by Tughlaks , the remaining ruling elite had to give up their titles like "thakkura" to the handful of maithil brahmin who became the new ruling gentry with the patronage of the muslim rulers as they willfully submitted to their demands of tax and protection money. Shantnudas881 (talk) 18:46, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 18:44, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2022

The Karna kayasthas are descendants of the chalukyas and the erstwhile Karnat Dynasty which ruled mithila for over 300 years

1. Those twelve 'Kayasthas', who came from Karnataka, were placed in the first group. 2. The second group comprised those twenty families which were invited to Mithila for settling down after the establishment of the 'Karnata Dynasty' in 1097 C.E.. 3. The third group consisted of those thirty families which came to Mithila later on. 4. The fourth group was composed of those families which were last to settle down there, during the around 227 years reign of 'Karnat Dynasty' of Mithila (1097 C.E.-1324 C.E.).

The twelve kayasthas who accompanied Nanyadeva were: 1. Lakshmikala 2. Prabhakara 3. Devidasa 4. Punyakardeva 5. Srikara 6. Syama 7. Salakhanadeva 8. Sripati 9. Srivarma 10. Harihara 11. Ratikara 12. Ratnadeva." Shantnudas881 (talk) 05:46, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 18:44, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2023

Hi I want to post edits about the ancient history of the karnas and their relationship with the Karnatas of Milthila and the Ruler Nanyadev Shanny881 (talk) 17:35, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RudolfRed (talk) 02:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

My addition of content to this page

@LukeEmily @CharlesWain@Ratnahastin Hi guys, won’t take much of your time, saw your edit remarks that the content being added by me should be discussed, so here are the sources I’ve referred to for my edits 1)[1]https://books.google.co.in/books?id=YfwmAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA5-PA94&dq=gajapati+karana&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJ1LKp9qyLAxWlRmwGHUYyDw44jAEQ6AF6BAgKEAM#v=onepage&q=gajapati%20karana&f=false

2)https://books.google.co.in/books?id=gFn8wSDfSxEC&pg=PA195&dq=kotha+karan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjO8d_K7e32AhV_H7cAHRFaDs8Q6AF6BAgHEAM#v=snippet&q=writer%20class&f=false

In the first source cited by me the details are mentioned in this manner “According to an ancient custom the body of the Raja was placed in a closed palanquin and carried by 24 priests of the temple (called Karan sevaks) to the swargadwar on the beach. The body then enclosed in the palanquin was placed on the funeral pyre and then consumed by the flames.” I tried to summarise this context and added it to the page. You will find these details on page 94 of the source cited, also full page view is available for this page on the link shared.

In the second source the details are a bit difficult to paste as it it is on this page anyway I’ll give you some context, on page 192 the book gives great details on the 36 categories of seva in Jagannath Temple and there in it mentions the Gajapati Seva and Karana seva as Kshatriya seva. I tried to summarise this content in my edits, for this source as well you’ll have full page view on the link shared by me.

Please note I wanted to add these details in Karan caste page specific to Odisha since these details pertain mainly to that sub group however the page was locked hence I thought that it would be better that I add these details to Karan Kayastha page sub article concerning Karanas of Odisha. Also I’m not a frequent user of Wiki, so forgive my past actions concerning my edits, I’m not familiar with your policies, I tried to restore my edits with appropriate edit summary remarks addressing your concerns. Please review and go through the sources shared by me and give your views, do correct me if there’s any mistake or error in my edits since you guys are seasoned editors on this platform. Sorry if I took a lot of your time consider me a newbie🙂✌️

Thanks and Regards, 205.254.166.96 (talk) 21:31, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

I find passing mention of "Karan sevak" in your quotation; Is it related to Karan caste? I checked the second source too , and couldn't find what you added in the article. Sorry, you can't give excuses, you are supposed to put the quotation in talk for verification. Anyway , Are the sources reliable? I can't find any other book of the first publisher, and the publisher of the second book, that is, Sanbun publisher isn't academic publisher. They publish literatures and fictions too. CharlesWain (talk) 06:16, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Well Karan sevaks in temple refer to servitors of Karana caste only, Deula Karana, Tadhau Karana, Chamu Karana etc all these are collectively known as Karana servitors only there’s no second Karana caste in Odisha, only 1 Karan caste exists in the social dynamics of Odisha, sorry but why is this even a question? seems unnecessary, as for the second source the minute you click on the link shared you’re taken to the page no cited for reference, you’ll have full page view access anyway since you want me to give quotes here are your quotes “1. Chutisa Niyoga

Sixty four Hindu religious sects or sampradayas including Swami Sankaracharya, 2.Brahmanas (Brahmins, Purohitas) 3.Gajapati Maharaja (Kshatriya), Karana Niyoga (Kshatriya, Writer-Class)…” , for the first source the publisher is “P.C. Kapoor at the Citizen press” it’s a government research periodical journal originally used by “The university of California” first published in the year 1956, the mentioned publisher is primarily engaged in publishing these government periodicals for different years, you’ll find different volumes of Civics Affairs by the same publisher concerning different years, as for the second source the publisher is Sunbun as you mentioned earlier, I’m citing there book regarding a social phenomenon in Odia Society based on eye witnesses secondary account and not for historical data concerning Odisha, for this the source is pretty much reliable according to me.

Thanks & Regards, 205.254.166.96 (talk) 08:54, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

None of the two sources seems reliable. And second line you added can't be found in the source. Please don't add it again. CharlesWain (talk) 03:37, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

How are they unreliable? One source is university of California press certified and the other one has an unique ISBN number with a well known publisher also the author in his book gives relevant citations for all the details mentioned in the source, which second line are you referring to? You have been given quotes with page no as well, just because you don’t like the content being added doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be added💁.

Thanks & Regards, 205.254.166.117 (talk) 04:10, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

The first source is self published "P.C. Kapoor at the Citizen Press" is the publisher. The second one is also self published. None of them are reliable. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:17, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Oh is it! But then google books might be wrong I guess https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Civic_Affairs/YfwmAQAAIAAJ?hl=en in the google book “about the book” page it clearly states it was first published by university of California press then republished by “P.C. Kapoor” and second source is self published lol, see the entire discussion between Charleswain and me😁 Edit warring won’t help🙂

Thanks & Regards, 205.254.166.117 (talk) 04:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

That "originally from" means that copy of the book was scanned there and then uploaded to gbooks. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:31, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Then it makes it “University of California” certified right, well that detail is already mentioned by me in our previous discussion, edit warring just because you don’t like the sourced content doesn’t help💁 accept the truth and move on!!

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Thanks & Regards, 205.254.166.117 (talk) 04:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

"certified" - No such thing as that. Random works get scanned and digital preserved everyday across the world it does not make them certified. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:45, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Utter crap!! Oops sorry for my wording🫢 anyway your personal opinion doesn’t matter much, fact remains the same, edit warring for personal differences won’t help!😄

Thanks & Regards, 205.254.166.117 (talk) 04:49, 15 February 2025 (UTC)