Talk:Karankawa people

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I don´t know hot to write a comment of my own, so I am using this. Sorry for the inconvenience. I found the text very bias, a lot of mentioning of Spanish atrocities or attacks commited against the Karankawa, and not many references to those commited by te anglos or new texans, when in fact they became extinct after the foundation of Texas. Locolocal88 (talk) 09:12, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I have never made a Wiki edit before, but there is a section I believe needs some clarification: Encounters with the Spanish. This text section incorrectly states that the "first" encounter with the Spaniards was in 1697. Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca wrote The Relation in the 1530s (published in 1542) about his time with this tribe. de Vaca was a Spaniard on a journey under the Spanish crown. His group was limited in size (devastated by a hurricane, desertion, and starvation), so they weren't the colonial force they set sail with. Even so, it seems silly to label the first encounter as having taken place 150 years later than it did. 69.132.112.46 (talk) 22:14, 28 August 2017 (UTC) cameron[reply]

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It would be too easy to excuse the Karankawa as not practicing some form of Cannibalism. Early reports describe the act vividly.

Cannibalism was by no means practiced only by the Karankawa, as many early explorers have encountered the practice within a number of native tribes in the Americas.

Relax, many scholars believe that the people they study were just like themselves and refuse to believe that people formerly waged war on each other an even ate each other. It is called the Historian's fallacy.--Wiglaf 09:56, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the unspecific term 'land acquisition' and inserted 'ethnic cleansing' because the modern definition of this term is very identical to how you would describe the colonization of Indian countries. More sources can be found in The conquest of Texas: ethnic cleansing in the promised land, 1820-1875, by Gary Clayton Anderson (reviews here: http://archive.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=3458 and here : http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Conquest+of+Texas:+Ethnic+Cleansing+in+the+Promised+Land,...-a0159391477) Rhthomsen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhthomsen (talk • contribs) 18:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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It would be too easy to excuse the Karankawa as not practicing some form of Cannibalism. Early reports describe the act vividly.

Cannibalism was by no means practiced only by the Karankawa, as many early explorers have encountered the practice within a number of native tribes in the Americas.

Relax, many scholars believe that the people they study were just like themselves and refuse to believe that people formerly waged war on each other an even ate each other. It is called the Historian's fallacy.--Wiglaf 09:56, 23 September 2005 (UTC) I deleted the unspecific term 'land acquisition' and inserted 'ethnic cleansing' because the modern definition of this term is very identical to how you would describe the colonization of Indian countries. More sources can be found in The conquest of Texas: ethnic cleansing in the promised land, 1820-1875, by Gary Clayton Anderson (reviews here: http://archive.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=3458 and here : http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Conquest+of+Texas:+Ethnic+Cleansing+in+the+Promised+Land,...-a0159391477) Rhthomsen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhthomsen (talk • contribs) 18:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Heritage group

Are the members of the heritage group actually descended from or genetically related to the Karankawa people? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:21, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yes. ThatRandomGuy147 (talk) 14:59, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not Extinct

According to this article, https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/karankawa-people-today/, descendants of the Karankawa are actively reclaiming their culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.8.5 (talk) 12:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, idk why people are saying they are extinct bc of a massacare that's it ThatRandomGuy147 (talk) 14:59, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are hundreds of organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes today. Many former tribes may have living descendants, but the burden of proof would be on the people making that claim. And proving that the current organization is a Native American tribe in either the political definition or anthropological definition would require citations to substantiate beyond just the claim of the organization itself, i.e. secondary, published sources. Yuchitown (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Overemphasis on cannibalism in the lead, also conflicts with the body

The practice of cannibalism is given too much weight in the lead, including a lengthy quote from a primary source. Quotes should almost never be in a lead, especially not from a primary source.

Also, the article contradicts itself. In the lead, the paragraph goes to great lengths to stress that the Karankawa “ate the flesh of their enemies”. It feels less like encyclopedic content and more like someone’s argument. The phrase “incontrovertible evidence” is out of place, too.

The body (specifically the culture section under “Religion and Ritual”), meanwhile, directly contradicts the lead by saying that “Whites never actually witnessed an act of cannibalism…”, and overall describes the claim of cannibalism with great scrutiny. So which is it?

There are plenty of other issues with this article, too. TLDR: I will be making some major changes over the next few days, and I’ll try and add new scholarly sources whenever possible. If I make any mistakes or you take issue with an edit, feel free to fix it or discuss it here. 296cherry (talk) 00:29, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]