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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 16:34, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by Bagumba (talk). Self-nominated at 11:49, 13 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Keith "End Zone" Jones; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Excellent work on this. Looks good. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not so fast. This article was nominated after 8 March and as such incurs two QPQs.--Launchballer 20:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are in WP:QPQ backlog mode. Double reviews are required.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11, Launchballer, and TonyTheTiger: I have added the review for Green Bay Packers general managers above. Please consider re-approving. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 09:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

QPQ good. Let's roll.--Launchballer 09:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Requested move 21 February 2025

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– Current titles violate naming conventions including WP:NICKNAME and WP:NCGRIDIRON. Per the latter, date of birth disambiguation should be used. See a similar discussion here. 162 etc. (talk) 17:39, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose both Keith "End Zone" Jones is fine per the WP:NATDIS policy:

    Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title, is sometimes preferred.

    Parenthetical disambiguation is the last alternative per WP:PARENTHDIS:

    Adding a disambiguating term in parentheses after the ambiguous name is Wikipedia's standard disambiguation technique when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title.

    And that's not even factoring in a winded, exact fulll birthdate, which hardly anybody knows offhand ... a plain year is bad enough. Examples of Keith "End Zone" Jones include Omaha World-Herald (Keith “End Zone” Jones did his part over the next four years)[1] and The Best of the Big Red Running Backs (Keith "End Zone" Jones Lived Up To His Nickname).[2] Keith Jones (Atlanta Falcons) is in the spirit of the WP:NCBASE guideline:

    If they spent the majority of their careers with one team, then the team name may be used. Make sure that Player A did not play for the team used in Player B's article title and vice versa. Use the full name of the team. Example: John Fitzgerald (Boston Reds pitcher) and John Fitzgerald (Rochester Broncos pitcher)

    Again, readers will generally not recognize or distinguish differing full birthdates from the exact same 1966 year (WP:IAR).—Bagumba (talk)}
Note: WikiProject Biography/Sports and games, WikiProject College football, and WikiProject National Football League have been notified of this discussion. —Bagumba (talk) 18:53, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: We probably don't need the exact date within the month. I don't see anything terribly wrong with using a team name for the Falcons player. A team name is certainly easier to remember than a birth date. Perhaps the first player could be Keith Jones (Cleveland Browns), since he didn't have much of a career with any other major league team. His career with the Browns doesn't seem especially distinguished either, but his time with the other teams seems to have consisted mostly of being overshadowed, traded away or sidelined by injuries. Keith Jones (Nebraska Cornhuskers) might be worth considering. I agree that the nickname in quotes is a bit obnoxious, and it seems to only be used that way in the titles of two of the 52 cited sources. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:27, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the problem with using a team instead for "End Zone" is that he didn't stand out enough with one pro team, yet he was in the NFL for multiple years, so opting for his college team is clunky too. Still, the naming policy prefers natural disambiguation over parenthetical, and sources (more below) often used the full Keith "End Zone" Jones.—Bagumba (talk) 21:22, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • More Keith "End Zone" Jones sources Los Angeles Times (And he has the wonderful option of giving the ball to Keith (End Zone) Jones, who has gained 890 yards.)[3] Sports Illustrated (Keith (End Zone) Jones rushed for 240 yards (the fifth-best single-game total in Husker history) and two touchdowns on only 15 carries; 18 different players carried the ball for the winners; 94 Huskers saw action.)[4], The Washington Post (The club signed Keith "End Zone" Jones to a big contract, even though he was a bench warmer with the Rams.)[5], UPI (Junior I-back Keith 'End Zone' Jones, the 'Huskers fastest player, rushed for 830 yards on 161 attempts and 10 touchdowns.)[6], The New York Times (Keith (End Zone) Jones rushed for 129 yards and two fourth-quarter touchdowns today as Nebraska scored the final 17 points to beat South Carolina, 30-21.)[7], The Oklahoman (Keith "End Zone" Jones, DuBose's replacement at I-back, suffered a thumb injury three weeks ago against Kansas State and was thought to be lost for the season after undergoing surgery.)[8]—Bagumba (talk) 21:14, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Were those sources located by a cherry-picking effort, or is that a representative sample? Also, the selected quotes seem to reinforce the idea that the nickname primarily refers to his Cornhuskers period. In his professional career, he seems to have spent more time in other zones, such as the injury-list zone, the trade-pending zone, and the arbitration-settlement zone. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:53, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It's based on a search for the term. I'm not necessarily arguing WP:COMMONNAME, just demonstrating for NATDIS that it is not a fringe term. The WaPo source was during his NFL time. —Bagumba (talk) 22:13, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    From Kitsap Sun in 1989 (while in NFL): And earlier they signed Plan B free agent Keith “End Zone” Jones, a first-year running back from Nebraska, who didn’t stick with the Los Angeles Rams[9] —Bagumba (talk) 22:58, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    From Fort Worth Star-Telegram in 1990 Keith "End Zone" Jones, one of the first unprotected free agents to visit the Dallas Cowboys during the Plan B signing period, could become the team's initial post-season addition today.[10] —Bagumba (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Lincoln Journal-Star 2015 Keith “End Zone” Jones, I-back, Omaha Central graduate[11] —Bagumba (talk) 14:57, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Omaha World-Herald 2015: Keith “End Zone” Jones did his part over the next four years, running for 2,488 yards and leaving with the No. 3 spot on the Huskers’ all-time rushing chart behind Rozier and Hipp.[12] —Bagumba (talk) 15:04, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Bagumba's reasoning and sources. If we do go with the dates, we should just have "February 1966" instead of the exact dates. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:36, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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