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"Women's literature" as an area of study

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(I am posting this message on the discussion pages of several likely articles and lists; sorry for the cross-posting):

I'd like to invite anyone interested in women's writing to read and comment on a draft article, " Women's literature in English." It began in response to the recent removal of " Woman Writers" as a category. It's close to being finished, but a few more eyes would be really helpful. Thanks! scribblingwoman 16:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I just (finally) submitted the category for review for reinstatement. Fingers crossed. scribblingwoman 15:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

update needed

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This article needs to be expanded – there are some very notable women missing. I am studying for a test right now and can’t take the time, but a partial list of missing authors follows. A few at the end are questionable as far as placement in feminist lit.

Abigail Adams (1st Lady w/ her Letters to Congress – Remember the Ladies is a notable one)

Erica Jong (feminist poems, novels, essays – famous for Fear of Flying, a woman’s quest for emotional and sexual fulfillment – writing was groundbreaking for it’s frank approach to women’s sexuality)

Alice Walker (The Color Purple)

Mary Wilkins Freeman (Inspiring portrayals of strong African American women)

Maya Angelou

Charlotte Perkins Gilman (The Yellow Wall Paper – Frequently paired w/ Chopin’s The Awakening)

Dorothy Parker (1920 icon for liberated women and celebrated humorist)

Sylvia Plath and Anne Sexton (Confessional poets… Sexton won a Pulitzer)

Emily Dickenson

Edith Wharton (writings involving society censuring free expression and characters that are the victims of social conventions)

Rosecourt (talk) 21:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)RoseCourt[reply]

Justification Paragraph

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I think this article could be improved by a little paragraph on how the works are selected for the list. I'm not qualified to write that paragraph myself, though. Thoughts? Anjin\\talk 22:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm new on here but

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I just wanted to say I agree with all of the above and can we please add Women Race and Class by Angela Davis (1981) Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.4.145.54 (talk) 23:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Some editor/s did a massive amount of work in converting the list from using links to Wikipedia articles to using external links; the Wikipedia links are gone. This does not seem as it should be (one problem being that external links on closely-related articles are likelier to be checked for validity by editors with more focused knowledge but maybe this list qualifies as closely enough related), but the editing of this list shows an enormous amount of work, so I don't want to just revert it (and maybe the opening text is an improvement (I haven't much checked but at a glance it may be)). Was this list conversion appropriate? Nick Levinson (talk) 19:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Three other problems are that the deletion of article links isolates the list from sourced content on whether each literature exemplar or instance is feminist and whether and how it has been backgrounded, analyzed, and critiqued; that if an external link is to a copyright-infringing copy of a work it may be less likely to be detected as such, putting the Foundation at a legal risk of facilitating infringement; and that the loss of most section headings makes navigation less comfortable for many readers. A valuable amount of work apparently went into the recent editing and we should think about this before much more is done to like effect. Nick Levinson (talk) 14:29, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the diff illustrating the problem. Agree with above. And chrono at least gives you a feeling of structure (though sectioning not necessary with individual years, just mention year preceding name of work). Contact the original editor about this. CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie🗽 22:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
i agree most of this should either be reverted or turned inti footnotes but a bare list of html external links violates mos for lists of links.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:53, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I tried contacting the IP editor, at User talk:173.62.202.84#revamping the list of feminist literature, but no one answered. I'm thinking of reverting and then, time permitting, slowly editing forward to preserve some of what was added, although I'm wary of re-adding literature I don't know anything about if it isn't already relevantly cited in Wikipedia, and I don't know most of it. Any thoughts? I'll wait a week for any response. Nick Levinson (talk) 16:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC) (Expanded: 16:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC))[reply]
Go for it. I'll watch for a couple weeks and see what happens. CarolMooreDC - talkie talkie🗽 19:29, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reverting and rebuilding sounds like a good solution. Kaldari (talk) 18:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've been working on an overhaul of this list at User:Gobonobo/List of feminist literature. While the new version wasn't formatted correctly (external links in the body, no wikilinks), it does include a wealth of titles and works that should be included here. In my overhaul I've been combining the old and new lists together, restoring items that were deleted from the former version and reformatting the new entries to comply with the mos. I'm done through 1971 at the moment. Some of the new additions raise the issue of exactly what should be included in this sort of list, but I think the large majority of them could stay. I'll probably need a few days to finish up combining the versions and would welcome any help. Gobōnobō + c 20:16, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've boldly reformatted the list to comply with the manual of style and added back the works that were deleted. I removed a few of the new additions that were clearly not "literature" such as videos, audio, timelines and CVs. I propose a further vigorous culling of entries (perhaps we could set up some rough inclusion criteria for the list as well). While most of the new additions are good, they seem to place an arguably undue emphasis on certain types of feminism and there are some essays and newspaper articles that aren't really that notable. Certain authors such as Joreen, Andrea Dworkin, and Dora Montefiore are rather overrepresented as well. The list also seems quite US-centric, with probably too much emphasis on Chicago and CWUL. After paring the list down a bit, I'd like to cross check this list with Category:Feminist literature to make sure we're not missing anything. Gobōnobō + c 13:31, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my. I had no idea there were so many grey links. I think this list is now way excessive - thanks for all the work, but if we don't have clear inclusion criteria this list can grow and grow, as there are probably hundreds of works of feminist literature produced each year. I would argue we should pare it back to blue links and a reasonable number of redlinks where the essay/paper/book in question is unquestionably one that we will someday have an article on. see WP:NOTADIRECTORY, WP:NOTLINK--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:42, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the list should be cut back vigorously, but I would argue against just deleting everything except for blue links/a few red links. Lots of the pre-19th century works may never be made into articles, but were important in the development of feminist literature nonetheless. The same could be said for many of the works from the first, second and third waves. Some of the listed works are from collections such as Notes from the First Year and Sisterhood Is Global (which both warrant articles). Instead of listing each essay that appeared in them, we could just list the collection. Gobōnobō + c 14:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. I like it. On the debate of inclusion of an item as uncertain, I favor inclusion. Notability applies to the subject of the whole list, but for each item the test is merely weight; for example, I think the Notes From the ... Year series, which lasted three years that I know of, belongs (assuming we include anything like collections, series, etc. and maybe we shouldn't and leave that to categories like Category:Feminist journals and Category:Feminist magazines). If the literature list gets too long some day, it can be split into two by some criteria or other, but we're not there yet. Thank you for the work; I don't have the expertise to make the same kind of judgments. Nick Levinson (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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