Talk:Lizzy Savetsky

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Advocacy / NPOV

The article reads almost as if it were written by the subject herself. Just take the opening paragraph, for example: "known for her work fighting antisemitism [...]". She's known for fighting what she claims to be antisemitism, but what others might reasonably call pro-Palestinian activism. The article simply states her viewpoint as if it were true. The whole article has to be reworked for NPOV. -Thucydides411 (talk) 01:16, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to work on it this week. Mooonswimmer 12:37, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The key is to review and summarize what the preponderance of reliable sources write about her. Editors must be careful not to insert their own political views or arguments. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:20, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Meir Kahane

This edit removes nearly all context about who Meir Kahane was and what Lizzy Savetsky said about him. The reason why her comments on the matter were a scandal was because Kahane is a highly controversial figure. Kahane espoused far-right, racist views about Arabs, and founded a terrorist organization that carried out attacks (including inside the United States). Now, instead of explaining that Savetsky endorsed Kahane and said "[t]he only language the Arabs understand is force and fear", the article makes the bland statement that Savestky "stat[ed] that his views on the use of force were accurate." The reader will have no idea what Savetsky actually said. What were Kahane's "views on the use of force"? -Thucydides411 (talk) 22:10, 27 March 2025 (UTC) I have raised this issue at WP:NPOVN. -Thucydides411 (talk) 06:09, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Coming here from the noticeboard. Kahanist parties were/are banned even in Israel, there is absolutely no reason to obfuscate his extremism. Attempts by people such as Itamar Ben-Gvir to rehabilitate that extremism should have no place on enwiki. Gotitbro (talk) 15:00, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here is what the sources cited in the article say about him:

Kahane was arrested multiple times in both America and Israel for plotting and committing acts of violence, and he was later assassinated by an Egyptian-American extremist in New York in 1990. His teachings live on among his followers, who often refer to themselves as Kahanists. ... Originally a fringe ideology in Israeli society, Kahanism has crept into the Israeli political mainstream since Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s election in 2022, and particularly since Oct. 7. Itamar Ben-Gvir, who served as the National Security Minister in Netanyahu’s cabinet until he resigned in January, was an open supporter of Kahane and visited his grave last November. Yechiel Leiter, who Netanyahu appointed as Israel’s U.S. ambassador in November, has ties to Kahanist Baruch Goldstein, perpetrator of the Hebron Massacre, and he was formerly a member of the U.S. Jewish Defense League.

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Kahane was an American Jewish extremist who wanted to rid Israel of Arabs and was barred from Israel’s parliament after one term for inciting racism. ... Before he was assassinated by an Egyptian-born American citizen in 1990, Kahane founded the militant Jewish Defense League in New York, which is tied to a series of terror attacks; he was convicted of making bombs. He then led a far-right party in Israel, where he was best known for calling for Arabs to be expelled en masse from the country. It was eventually banned from running in elections.

([2]) Gotitbro (talk) 16:34, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Savetsky rejects the idea that she effectively endorsed Kahanism — and said that what she desires is peace in the region and an end to Jewish suffering. In light of last week, she said, that should mean considering a different set of ideas.

“Anyone who follows me knows what I stand for and knows that that is not who I am,” she said. [3] Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 15:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's one quote out of a long article that explains that many people see Savetsky's statements as an endorsement of Kahane's views, which are widely regarded as violent and racist. Even Savetsky admits in the article that she supports Kahane's hardline views about Arabs only respecting force and fear.

Regardless of the extent to which Savetsky endorses all of Kahane's views, this Wiki article should describe who Kahane was and what views Savetsky endorsed. Right now, it doesn't do that. -Thucydides411 (talk) 20:16, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The way it is now is appropriate per WP:DUE. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 20:21, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:DUE and WP:NPOV do not mean false balance (see WP:WEIGHT), our sources predominantly refer to Kahane as an extremist as does our article, there is no reason to obsfuscate this. I will be undoing the edit anyhow since it was by a non-extended-confirmed user against sanctions. Gotitbro (talk) 11:49, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 15 April 2025

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Exploitation of Hostage Families
In November 2023, Alana Zeitchik, a cousin of hostage David Cunio who lives in New York, went to Savetsky's home, shortly after Hamas' Oct. 7 attack, to record a video advocating for the hostages. She said she appreciated Savetsky taking the time to do that. Later, Zeitchik was "appalled" by Savetsky's posts, which, she said, run counter to the messages families of hostages are trying to send. Zeitchik noted that Yigal Amir, the assassin of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, associated with Kahane's followers.^[1]

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^ "Pro-Israel influencer Lizzy Savetsky called a video of Meir Kahane 'the truth' — and set off a firestorm". JTA. 2025-02-25. Retrieved 2025-04-15.

GretaIndie (talk) 15:29, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(I fixed this edit request and respectfully removed Somajyoti's comment. It looked like an empty edit request but it was not. I will later today look into this edit request, but of course, any other editor is very welcome to figure out which request is made and if it can be performed.) Lova Falk (talk) 13:07, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only minor parts done. Hi GretaIndie! I have now looked into this. My guess is that you would like to add this text to the article. However, Alana Zeitchik does not have a Wikipedia article, and is not even mentioned in any article so far. So she simply seems not notable enough. Therefore, her later being appalled by Savetsky's posts is also not notable. Next, who is associated with Kahane's followers is also beyond the scope of this article. However, your source said: The post, as she predicted, sparked a response that was instant and largely negative, and there is no criticism at all in the article about her. So I will put in a short sentence about that. Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 May 2025

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The reasons for Savetsky’s departure are highly debated, yet this article publishes her version of the events as fact. I plan to edit the article to explain that this is contested, and will add multiple reputable sources to back it up. This story was published in several major publications but it is nowhere to be found on her Wikipedia page. Carolinemanzo (talk) 18:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. Day Creature (talk) 21:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[:0-1] "Pro-Israel influencer Lizzy Savetsky called a video of Meir Kahane 'the truth' — and set off a firestorm". JTA. 2025-02-25. Retrieved 2025-04-15.

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