Talk:Makuuchi

yokozuna

i don't think the list of notable yokozuna is needed, just a list of active ones, like ozeki XinJeisan 09:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It certainly seems too much in a combined article. Malnova 10:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I just wanted to look up the names of some of the yokozuna of recent decades as I was not able to remember them correctly. I would have loved to find those here, at least those of the recent past. JB. --92.195.97.156 (talk) 09:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

kachikoshi for sekiwakes and komusubis

Can a sekiwake (or a komusubi) always maintain his rank by getting kachikoshi, or are there examples of sekiwakes that got kachikoshi and still got demoted? I don't know the answer but perhaps the article could be more clear about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.150.116.86 (talk) 12:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, one cannot be demoted if one gets kachikoshi. Several rikishi such as Sakahoko, Wakanosato and Kotomitsuki have remained at the rank for many tournaments on end by getting their majority of wins but not doing well enough to earn promotion to ozeki. Only a losing score results in demotion. It can happen with komusubi too, although one is less likely to get "stuck" at that rank.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

In the komusubi section is written "It is also the lowest rank where achieving a kachi-koshi (winning record in a tournament) is no longer sufficient to guarantee promotion to a higher rank." This is not correct. There are many cases of a Maegashira 1 getting kachi-koshi but not being promoted to komusubi when both of the komusubi maintained their ranks. Since 2015, three people at Maegashira 1 have been denied promotion with 9-6 records, even better than 8-7. In general, kachi-koshi does not guarantee promotion at any rank. It only guarantees no demotion. 46.18.148.31 (talk) 10:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Bilingual Commentary

The lower divisions are shown on their satellite coverage, with only makuuchi broadcast having bilingual commentary.

Might one inquire as to the second language, in addition to Japanese, of this commentary? English? Mandarin? Cantonese? Malay? Tagalog? Dick Kimball (talk) 14:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Minor change to Sekiwake table

Takatōriki is was listed as highest rank 'Ōzeki' on the most Sekiwake appearances table. However, on his personal page and elsewhere I could find, this isn't indicated. Looks like a basic error. He did run an Ōzeki stable though. I am unaware of that influencing his highest rank achieved, so I went ahead and changed it. I corrected the table for him to highest rank 'Sekiwake' based on this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zkbt (talk • contribs) 15:44, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

You're right; he never went beyond sekiwake. Neither did Kotonishiki actually, so I've corrected that too.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:45, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for catching and fixing these. I am not sure what happened as I know neither of these two men ever made ozeki. If you have a minute please check the other tables for me as well for any discrepancies. FourTildes (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I have removed Shodai from the list of active sekiwake, since he appears in the list of active Ozeki. My apologies if there was some reason for him appearing in both lists.Weka511 (talk) 20:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Weka511, you were correct to remove him. I actually don't know why we are keeping lists of "active sekiwake" and "active komusubi", seeing as how they change nearly every tournament. It should be reserved for the yokozuna and ozeki ranks, which are much more stable.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:56, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Some ambiguity

1) in ozeki description it says Technically there must always be a minimum of two ōzeki on the banzuke, one on the east side and one on the west. If there are fewer than two regular ōzeki in practice, then one or more yokozuna will be designated "yokozuna-ōzeki".

in overview it says There must be at least one sekiwake and komusubi on each side of the banzuke [no mention of ozeki], normally two total, but there may be more.

so which is it? what is the technical minimum for ozeki, 1 or 2?

2)overview: If there is more than one yokozuna but only one ōzeki ... yokozuna-ōzeki

What if there is exactly one yokozuna and one ozeki ??

3)overview: Therefore, a reference to san'yaku can sometimes mean only the bottom three ranks, or in other cases only sekiwake and komusubi.

I assume underlined refers to ozeki, sekiwake and komusubi?
Can san'yaku also refer to all four top ranks? 213.149.51.93 (talk) 20:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Split Yokozuna section to new article

Forgive me if there's some past history to this article that I'm not aware of, but the yokozuna section is ripe for a split because it's a good portion of the article, and contains a lot of stuff that is about the status of yokozuna and not much (by volume) that refers to how yokozuna fits into makuuchi. It could easily become its own article, and could be replaced by a more succinct discussion of yokozuna status as the top of makuuchi. Omnifalcon (talk) 02:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

The question of splitting the Makuuchi article into several articles on the ranks (Yokozuna, Ozeki, Sekiwake, Komusubi) is an idea that– I think– has been on quite a few people's minds for a while. As far as I'm concerned, I quite agree with the idea. I've made it a project of mine, but at the moment I'm concentrating on developing the existing articles before getting down to the divisions. - OtharLuin (talk) 07:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, there is a past history. Many years ago the decision was taken to merge the separate articles on all the sanyaku ranks and the maegashira rank into one article - this one. User:FourTildes was the main driver of that move, I recall. At the time a lot of those articles were rather brief and it made sense to merge them. I still think there's not much point in a separate article for komusubi or sekiwake, but yokozuna I think could stand on its own because as you allude to, it's a lot more than simply the highest rank on the banzuke. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Sounds like it's worth fixing up the Yokozuna section and splitting it, then evaluating if a split is worthwhile for Ozeki and down. Omnifalcon (talk) 20:08, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

If "Yokozuna" becomes its own article, I can imagine merging it with the "List of yokozuna" article as well

Wondering if there is any additional or missing information that would enhance a hypothetical standalone article Duyneuzaenasagae (talk) 02:06, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

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