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RM, Mars Bar → Mars bar, Moved, 29 December 2009, discussion
RM, Mars (chocolate bar) → Mars bar, Moved, 27 August 2023, discussion

Changes in UK bar quality

When I was a teenager the UK Mars Bar used to be a lot chewier and have a higher density and weight than the lightweight modern version. There was a lot more toffee, and in particular the 'foam' was solid. I recall reading newspaper articles about the changes in size and composition of the bar over the years. I am disapointed that the article dosnt mention this. The modern version of a Mars Bar is not as good as it used to be, and for that reason alone I rarely buy it, since I just get the disapointment of remembering that its not half as good as it used to be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.104.12.57 (talk • contribs) .

I also came here to look for the reduction on bar size/weight over the years. Every some years they reduce the size of a bar by some gramms. It would be helpful to have a kind of time table how they reduced the size and weight over the past 20 years.

I used to eat Mars bars pretty often, but then I moved from the UK to the US. recently tried the new British Mars bar, and I was so disappointed - where is that thick chocolate layer that used to resist breaking? Now the bar is a shadow of its former self. I hear it's not as popular as it used to be, and I think the 2002 change has a lot to do with that. It's pretty sad. I would have had no problem with them reducing the overall size, but I think they should have kept the thicknesses the same, so the bar felt the same. Ianbrettcooper (talk) 11:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A Mars A Day Helps You Work, Rest and Play

I won't add anything to the article, because it would be self-promotion, and may well not meet the criteria for being 'verifiable', but this might be of interest...

The article mentions that the slogan "A Mars A Day Helps You Work, Rest and Play" is often wrongly attributed to Murray Walker - well, I know who actually did come up with it - it was my grandma - see http://pigpog.com/node/2436. I didn't find out until her funeral, just recently. Came as a bit of a surprise. Pigpogm 13:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Posted by Lottie: Years ago when I was at college studying to be a teacher, it was common knowledge at the college that this slogan was invented by my maths teacher - a Mr Dagnall. I didn't know his first name at the time, but after googling a little, it seems to be a well-documented fact that the slogan was invented by a Mr William Dagnall, who I assume was my maths teacher after all. I cannot though find anything out about Mr Dagnall to verify that William Dagnall and Mr Dagnall the college (WMCHE) maths teacher are one and the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.46.4 (talk) 10:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are both wrong. The slogan was invented by the well known fishing author, “J.R. Hartley” Roxy, the dog. wooF 11:48, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For a 25 hour day

If I remember correctly, the tagline for Mars in South Africa was: "Mars... for a 25 hour day"

I thought it was rubbish, until I learnt that Martian days are 20min shy of 25 hours. 194.176.201.28 (talk) 13:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're thinking of a Bar One, which is identical to a Mars bar, but less expensive. --leuce (talk) 14:07, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mars Bar or Mars bar?

Should the title be 'Mars Bar', or 'Mars bar', per MOS? The Mars site has MARS® bar. --hippo43 (talk) 04:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

This article was moved unilaterally from Mars bar sometime over the 2010s after a move discussion in December 2009 settled on 6 January 2010 on moving this article from Mars Bar to Mars bar on account of the word "bar" not being part of the brand name and therefore not a proper noun. The reasoning for the subsequent move was the fact that the brand name for the chocolate bar is simply "Mars". I feel that his focuses too much on the topic's official name, which is a common mistake in move discussions, and I would like to point out that according to WP:COMMONNAME "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)". There is also MOS:TIES which states "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the (formal, not colloquial) English of that nation". Examples of formal usage of the term "Mars bar" in British English (considering the bar originated in the United Kingdom), unlike with "Twix" and "Snickers" which are bars made by the same company, are in the British based news sources cited in this article. Another example is the title Deep-fried Mars bar for that article on Wikipedia. Also, the use of the term "Mars bar" is common in everyday speech in British English even when the planet and the Roman god have not already been mentioned which would theoretically eliminate the need for disambiguation. This brings me the the issue of whether natural or parenthetical disambiguation (see Wikipedia:Article titles#Parenthetical disambiguation) is more desirable on the English language Wikipedia for this topic. "Mars bar" is a name clearly many Britons are familiar with when disambiguation is required and would still be useful if natural disambiguation is desirable. Tk420 (talk) 21:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a strong opinion either way, so just a comment. This isn't a US/UK difference. We called them "Mars bars" here too. The operative word is "called", though. I only know this because I'm old. They haven't sold them here in 20 years. Dan Bloch (talk) 00:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 20:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mars (chocolate bar) → Mars bar – As per WP:COMMONNAME and MOS:TIES with "Mars bar" being in common parlance in the bar's country of origin e.g. in the title of the related Deep-fried Mars bar article and considering the last move discussion (Talk:Mars (chocolate_bar)#Requested move) settled on Mars bar before this article was quietly moved unilaterally during the 2010s. I also started this discussion to debate on whether natural disambiguation (see WP:NATDIS) is more desirable than parenthetical disambiguation (see Wikipedia:Article titles#Parenthetical disambiguation) in this case. Tk420 (talk) 20:40, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The current article title is the result of a 2011 undiscussed move. The consensus title, per a 2009 RM, is "Mars bar". 162 etc. (talk) 22:57, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The proposed title would provide WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. Also, the bar has major ingredients that are not chocolate. It is more of a candy bar or a combination bar than a chocolate bar. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION and WP:COMMONNAME. This article should have never been moved without a discussion anyway. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:41, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per all above. It's rarely called just "Mars". Station1 (talk) 01:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:UCN and WP:NATDIS, we should always prefer common names and avoid parentheticals when possible. --Jayron 32 13:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.