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Colombia needs to be rewritten, bad.

I'd do it myself but I hate wikipedia for deleting so much useful information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.196.57 (talk) 03:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrote it for you, good sir. --DiRF —Preceding unsigned comment added by DiRF (talk • contribs) 02:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More countries

France: Usually a big Citroën, currently a C6, Jacques Chirac received the first as far as I remember. See also de:Staatskarosse#Frankreich.

Russia: Some ZIL, apparently there's a new one in the making.

DDR: was a Volvo or Citroën.

84.115.129.76 (talk) 12:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that little ole Sri Lanka has the most expensive stae cars in the world: The government (of Sri Lanka) yesterday informed parliament that some 31 new bulletproof vehicles were purchased for VIP use.

Replying an oral query raised by UNP legislator Ravi Karunanayake, Chief Government Whip, Dinesh Gunewardena said 31 new bullet proof vehicles were imported after the 13th parliament was elected.

He said 12 vehicles were imported at US$ 1.8 million, 15 others at US$ 3.7 million and four others at US$ 13.23 million.

Gunewardena said the vehicles were imported from a range of countries including the United Kingdom, India, Germany and Czech Republic.

FOUR cars for $13.23 Million, thats a real bargain 86.140.75.108 (talk) 20:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Norway

This sentence doesn't quite make sense. "The vehicle does not have a sunroof, due to the hats the royals often wear."Davehoekst (talk) 18:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It does makes sense as a sunroof reduces headroom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.113.0 (talk) 15:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Official State car of Canada

Hey Can we get some pictures of the official state car of Canada. Canada is an important country. We should have some pics for it too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.14.105 (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of Canada, can someone please stop claiming the PM drives around in an STS. He is driven in a long wheelbase DTS, and watching any YouTube video of his motorcade will confirm this. -Mralexofcanada

Proposed merge with Motorcade

Both articles are similar and Official State Car does Motorcades job anyway ie. describes the size and complexities of motorcades in different countries--Gargabookofayr (talk) 09:14, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Australia section

I have removed most of the sources as the sources don't supported on what is stated in the section, I have used on source as it as a photo of the PM's car. I have also removed the bit about the former PM's since it was more about what they get and nothing to do with "official state car(s)". Bidgee (talk) 11:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the claim about streets sometimes being blocked off for the PM as this was uncited and rather unlikely. Nick-D (talk) 22:41, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The paragraph added on 29 November 2014 makes allegations of impropriety in the new vehicle tender process. This seems to be 'original research'. Is there a reliable source to back up this conclusion? LPS (talk) 17:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Chile

The State Car of Chile was a gift] of Queen Elizabeth II during a state visit to Santiago in 1966. Rakela (talk) 18:26, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Personal names

If a car is used by, say, the president of a country and is not necessarily changed on a change of leader, it is best not to give the leader's name. It adds nothing to the article ("Vlad Dracul," adds nothing to "the president of Transylvania"), and potentially goes out of date after every election. There's no point in being too dogmatic about this, as cars are also changed frequently, and we're not going to keep this article up to date. Pol098 (talk) 13:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar (multiple issues)

Multiple issues with the grammar and vocabulary have been found in this article. They mostly reside in the articles for Latin American, Asian, European and African countries. Fastguy397 (talk) 20:37, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong should be separately presented in this article, not under China

@Benlisquare: I hope I am making myself clear. Hong Kong, as her unique status, is not just "a city with special status", Hong Kong is a city with Sub-sovereignty, which was granted by the constitutional document the Basic Law. For example, Hong Kong is a separate member in many international organisations, such as WTO etc. Hong Kong is always represented and viewed separately from China, as a fact and custom. However, if you insist only sovereign state should be allowed to be presented individually, this will fall to the definition of sovereign state. A sovereign state is a state that is recognised by other independent sovereign states and is a member of the United Nations. In these circumstances, Taiwan is not. Taiwan is not widely recognised as an independent sovereign state and is not a member of the UN. However, practically we all understand Taiwan is a state and is different from China, therefore in most Wikipedia articles Taiwan is presented separately from the PRC, and so it should also apply to Hong Kong. Although in terms of sovereignty, Hong Kong is a special administrative region of China, due to historical reason and the Basic Law, Hong Kong enjoys Sub-sovereignty and is widely presented internationally separately from China. Therefore, in this article, I see no reason why Hong Kong should not have it own.

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Switzerland

The part of Switzerland is complete rubbish. No fleetwood macs, and the Chancellor of Switzerland is not head of state. The federal councillers use a selection of Mercedes S as well as one Tesla Model S. Also no Motorcades in Switzerland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.215.51.89 (talk) 16:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

UK--Daimler?

It's my understanding that the House of Windsor used exclusively Daimlers, extending at least part way into ER's reign. Possibly a family connection? Don't have a cite right now, but will do some digging when I get to my desktop. D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 14:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think they started using Royces post WW2; R-R aimed the Phantom IV exclusively at Heads of State. Is it very wrong of me to wish that the official transport of the Lieutenant-Governor of the Isle of Man was a Bond Bug? Three revolving legs and a very short tail… Mr Larrington (talk) 19:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relevance of Yugoslavian Car to The Article

While Marshal Tito drove around in an imported Mercedes, ordinary Yugoslavians had to drive these Yugos.

Is this image necessary on the Yugoslavia section? Malikussaid (talk) 11:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposal to Split the Page into SubArticles

== Guys i think the page is a bit too long to read do you have any ideas on how we could divide it into subarticles? like for example something like:1. Introduction 2. History 3. Types of State Cars by continent (Africa Asia Americas Europe Oceania) 4. Controversies and Criticisms let me know what you think! == 179.109.143.213 (talk) 14:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Super tables

@Nikkimaria: Why do you think an enormous multi-column and multi-row table is better than prose content? There are many reasons why not to turn this article into a super-table, not the least of which are:

loss of content to cell phone readers because the table gets rendered as a single-line offering of a drop-down box (screenshot)
loss of content to cell phone readers because even if they expand the table vertically, they only see the first 3 of 6 columns, and may not even think there is more content to the right (screenshot)
difficulty reading such a wide table on smaller screens, as well as being visually cluttering on wider screens such as desktop
tables are more difficult to edit on any platform, and especially for newer editors and non-tech-savvy editors
loss of current images in the content (I notice you are not including them in the table)
loss of ability to use the Who Wrote That? tool (doesn't work for content within tables)

If your issue is the length of the table of contents, that can be dealt with by floating it to the right with {{TOC right}}.

There are likely more reasons why not to turn this content into a super-table. I am challenging your WP:BOLD edit. Please discuss before continuing. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 07:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The content of the Cars by state section contains data which is well suited to tabular presentation: state, user, car, support, and license plate (where relevant). Tabular presentation makes it much easier to identify these pieces of information at a glance. It also streamlines the article, which at the moment is challenging to read and edit at all, particularly for users with low-bandwidth connections. Tables are a common feature of articles, and newer and less tech-savvy editors are more likely to be using tools like VE that simplify the process of table editing further. I'm not sure what you were using to produce the above screenshots, but it appears that the mobile site displays the content correctly for cellphone readers, and poses no difficulty in reading and following the information. There are many examples of lists similar to this one that have attained featured status and could be used as models, including some that include images which could be added (cf. Heroic Age of Antarctic Exploration or List of London Underground stations). Nikkimaria (talk) 15:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The screenshots were from my cell phone, a typical Android phone, using Chrome browser app. I use it on occasion to check for how an article might look for a high percentage of Wikipedia readers. Per Help:Mobile access, Approximately 65% of access to English Wikipedia is by mobile devices, a number which includes larger screen mobile devices than just cell phones, though I would bet that most of that 65% is cell phone use.

When a table starts having large blocks of text in individual cells (as yours does), as well as having multiple columns, then table use should be reconsidered. This is how some of your current table looks. Just because tables have been used in other articles doesn't mean this article and this rendition is good.

"Low bandwidth"? If your goal is to trim the article so it is far smaller than the current 230K bytes, then why not just trim each section to contain just the content you are going to shoehorn into a table anyway? Or at least do a severe trimming first before evaluating whether it should be "table-ized".

I use the source editor, not the visual editor, and have my doubts about ease of constructing a table using the visual editor. Using source editing, tables are difficult to edit because of the visual clutter of condensed code and a structure which lacks white space, not to mention a user needs the knowledge and skill to code a table (not me, but others) whereas editing prose is straightforward.

Accessibility aside, I disagree that this data is well suited to tabular presentation. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 20:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you verify that you are not trying to look at the desktop version on your mobile device? As far as I can tell across multiple devices, the mobile version does not look like you have presented - although presentation does vary slightly between interfaces, I can't replicate the behaviour you're reporting, and in each case the table seems much more usable than the previous version (and the text in the table could be streamlined or reformatted further). In the source code, each row is presented separately, and additional whitespace could be added between cells if desired. I'm not seeing any indication that this article is any less suited to tabular presentation than some of the examples at FL, and a table is an excellent way to concisely present complex lists like this. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have done some reformatting; I think there are a few other details that could be migrated if additional work is needed. I also found List of tallest buildings by country as another comparator to show what images could look like if included. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am checking Chrome browser on the cell phone, going to wikipedia.org, searching for "Official state car", then selecting the entry. Seems that Chrome is auto-launching the Wikipedia app (which I also have installed on my phone). That is likely the version you are not able to reproduce.

If I scroll to the very bottom of the page, there is a very small link which says "view in browser". Clicking that goes back to Chrome and shows a slightly different version (the wiki mobile version) which instead of the small link saying "More information State, Users ..." it displays the large down-arrow and heading "Cars by state" (screenshot). In the mobile version all level 2 subheadings are collapsed at initial page load and tables are not collapsed, whereas the app only collapses the tables and displays all level 2 sections without auto-collapse.

However, the tables render identically in these two versions. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 22:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response to third opinion request:

Because this article is so large and detailed, the changeover to table format (including images where available) is a welcome way to present data more concisely. I sympathize with frustrations trying to view WP pages on small screens, but the need to reduce this article's size and present content more concisely overrides concerns about viewing on small screens. I support the continued conversion to the table format. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC) — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for improving official state cars article

I believe the "Official State Cars" section could benefit from adding more images to enhance the visual appeal and clarity of the content. Additionally, it might be helpful to remove unnecessary text or redundant information to streamline the article and make it more accessible to readers. Including relevant images can provide a better understanding of the cars discussed, while simplifying the text can improve readability and navigation. 179.109.143.218 (talk) 23:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's worthwhile to improve images. But I suggest caution in adding more just "to enhance the visual appeal and clarity". Be sure any images actually illustrate something which can't be conveyed another way. Clarity is good if it tells the reader something. "Visual appeal", on the other hand, is a matter of opinion. If it's there for its own sake, I'm opposed.

I think the following, for example, are a waste of space.

Chile: Piñera departs from La Moneda Palace in a Genesis G90

France: The Citroën DS, was commonly associated with de Gaulle during his presidency.

South Korea: Armored Genesis EQ900L

Then there is New Zealand: 2016 BMW 7-Series (G11) are used as the prime minister's state car.

it's a car

Taiwan: The presidential motorcade for Ma Ying-jeou, which features several BMW 7 Series

it's a police car...with lights...at night

Just a link to, say, "1960 Ford Galaxie" is sufficient

Humpster (talk) 04:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the feedback! I agree that adding images should be done carefully to ensure they actually contribute to the reader's understanding and aren't just for decoration. I will consider the relevance of each image, making sure it illustrates something that cannot be conveyed through text alone.

Regarding the examples mentioned (such as Piñera's Genesis G90 or the Citroën DS associated with de Gaulle), I will review the images to ensure they are truly informative and enhance the article. If an image doesn't add significant value to the explanation of the leader's car, we can consider removing or replacing it with a more relevant one.

Additionally, I will try to simplify the text by removing any redundant information to improve the clarity and readability of the article. I appreciate the suggestions and will work on making the article more accessible and engaging for readers!179.109.143.218 (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the Structure and Accessibility of 'Official State Cars

Hi everyone, I believe it's important to focus on providing useful, clear, and updated information for readers. While striving for perfection is admirable, an article’s main goal is to be accessible and informative. I feel that splitting content into too many sub-articles, especially when they are outdated, could make the article harder to navigate. It might be better to keep the content in the main article and use sub-articles only for more detailed exploration of specific aspects. Let’s work together to ensure the article is both accurate and reader-friendly, without getting too bogged down in excessive details. 179.109.143.159 (talk) 23:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]