Talk:Pakthas

Pactyans

It is not Pakhtas but Pakhas. Pactyan was mentiooned by Herodot to desribe the tribe that lived there like he used Persian, Bactrian ect. tHE RIG-VEDA MENTION THE POP THERE AS PAKHAS... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspandyar Agha (talk • contribs) 16:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Merger of this article and article Paktha by admin Dbachmann

Please refer to your post by which the other article was merged into this one on 15 June 2009 Hope this will further improve this comrehensive article .
I am sure that your stringent standards to impliment the spirit of the wikipedia conventions will be applied to this article in equal measure .

• Please also incorporate the two short quotes with references from article Paktha which were from
  reliable, secondary , and specificaly related (as the words Pakta appear in the text)sources . But not included in this article currently . I have listed these .

“ In the Vedic literature however we come across the name of a tribe called Pakta. ”

“ Paktas regarded as modern Pakhtoons were settled in modern Afghanistan and in the North-Western Province of Pakistan . ”

• I would assume that since you have left reference 3 and 4 in this article untouched , these references are OK ?

Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 03:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

you created your article at a misspelled title. I have redirected it to the proper target. I don't see why we need to add your quotes in particular, or verbatim, since they add nothing to what is already in the article.

There is nothing to be said about the Pakthas than that they are mentioned in two or three places. This doesn't make for an article, an imo this title should just be merged into the "origins" section at Pashtuns. --dab (𒁳) 08:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi User Ayousafzai and user EasternAryan

Through your combined edits viz

• AYousefzaiof 22nd Jan 2010
• EasternAryan 14TH Feb
  

you have introduced the term "are an ancient Persian people".

This is unsubstantiated , and unreferenced specially in relation to the Pakthas .
Unfortunately this is in line with such insertion being made on many Afghanistan related articles .
I am therefore going to reverting these edits unless you are able to substantiate with references from reliable sources.
Intothefire (talk) 05:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Unexplained edit by 221.120.249.18

Pakthas or Pakta or Pactyans etymological Pakthun are an ancient people

• On 16 October 2010 221.120.249.18 makes an unexplained edit .Changing the word Pakthun to Pashtun
• This user has been repeatedly banned for vandal edits , reported for scores of unconstructive edits
• See Edits of 221.120.249.18

Intothefire (talk) 03:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

An Excerpt from an article By Prof. Em. Dr Ahmad Hasan Dani

Here's an interesting article by Prof Dani that appeared Pakhtunkhwa Times

“ The Pashto or Pakhto is a well-known Aryan tribe mentioned in the Rigveda along with others, Jadu (or Yadu), Kuru, Sivas and Bhalanases. The Jaduns are the modern Gaduns, Sivas have left behind their name in the modern village of Siva in Swabi tehsil, and Kuru can be recognised in the valley of Panchkora in the district of Dir and Bhalanases have left their name in Bolan Pass. It is the Aryans who first started the geographic name of Gandhara in about the middle of the second millennium BC that extended on either side of the river Indus, with two capitals, Pushkalavati (modern Charsadda) on the west and Taxila on the east. Later the western capital was transferred to Peshawar (old Purushapura).

In Gandhara lived eight Aryan tribes, known as Ashtakas, whose king, named as Astes in the Greek accounts fought with Alexander’s forces. The place name Hashtnagar recalls their memory. The Ashtakas have probably left behind their trace in the name Khattaks, who spread out south of the river Kabul right up to Attock.The Achaemenian Iranian Empire extended into this part, and Herodotus names the provinces as Gandhara, Paktyike, Sattagudi (i.e. Sapta Gomati, inclusive of Bannu, D.I. Khan, Zhob and Loralai districts, and finally Maka or Makran in the coastal region. Next province is called Hindu or Sindhu to the east of the river Sindhu. He also mentions the country of Darad in the north and refers to the Babylonian name Paropamisadae, i.e. the hilly area beyond, which in Sanskrit is called Avagana, or Apagana or Afgana (ava meaning far and gana meaning tribe) and hence tribes of the distant area, referring to Kabul region. Paktyike still survives in the provincial name of Paktya in Afghanistan, although it is much reduced in size.

The geographical name Gandhara continued until AD10 century, i.e for nearly twenty-five hundred years, when after the overthrow of the Hindu Shahi dynasty by Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni, it was incorporated into his Ghazni empire and Gandhara was forgotten into the limbo of history. The Arab conquest of this region does not record Pakhto or Pakya because the Arabs fought with the Turki Shahi or Hindu Shahi rulers. However, the spread of Islam transformed the whole mental make-up and tradition of the people. Many of the tribes started connecting themselves with the Semitic tribes or with Iranian heroes of Shanamah fame; e.g. Gakkhars call themselves Kianis, and the Awans associate themselves with Qutub Shahis. Similarly, the Pakhtuns trace their traditional origin from the lost tribes of the Jews, as recorded in the Makhzan-i-Afghana of the time of Sher Shah Suri. It is after the conquest of the Arabs that the name Khyber was applied to the pass and Ali Masjid was built there near the old Buddhist site. But the name Khyber was never used this side of Jamrud. However, the Pakhto tribes got associated with Turkic conquerors and along with them they spread out into north India right up to Bengal.

From AD 10 century onward the Muslim historians use the word Afghan in their works but in India the world Pakhto is corrupted as Pathan or sometimes a new word is deprived from Roh, i.e. Koh Sulaiman and we get the world Rohilla or Rohilkhand, which played an important part in the later Mughal history.With the spread of the Timurid Empire the Afghan tribes were much disturbed. With Timur’s son Shah Rukh sitting at his new capital of Herat, having full control over Kandahar, the Pakhtun tribes around Kandahar were shaken. Some tribes, like Tarin, moved into norther part of Balochistan, and others like Lodhis, Suris, Niazis and Durranis came to Punjab. The Yusufzais moved towards Kabul and later when Babar occupied Kabul, the Yusufzais spread eastward towards Bajaur, Dir, Swat, Mardan and Peshawar districts, displacing the earlier tribes who took shelter in Hazara.

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Intothefire (talk) 06:24, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

He's implying that Pashtuns were living in this area in ancient times which is more than laughable. Akmal94 (talk) 02:53, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

References

Abdul Ghaffar Khan's quote

His quote here is implying that Paktha's were living in ancient Gandahara when they were not, only in Eastern Afghanistan as noted by ancient greek scholars. This doesn't make any sense since their were no Pashtun people living in KPK (which was located in Gandahara) since most of them migrated after Islamic conquests and due to expulsion from other tribes. The Yousafzai who make up the majority in Swat claim they came from Northern Afghanistan, basically all Pashtun tribes living in KPK migrated from Afghanistan so Mr. Ghaffar's quote makes no sense.

Therefore i think it should be removed since he was not a historian but a rather a political activist and his work is an unpopular opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akmal94 (talk • contribs) 07:56, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Pactyan issues

Pactyan was a name for those people so they must have been from a place called "Pactya" and Paktia Province is probably named after this.