Talk:Pinoy Big Brother: Celebrity Collab Edition

Correction on Pinoy Big Brother title

Are we gonna use this as the title since there's a source for it now? https://www.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/showbiz/movies-series/2025/2/11/-pbb-celebrity-collab-to-air-on-gma-starting-march-9-0858 139.135.79.138 (talk) 07:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Considering this is an original research, we can't use this. It has to be third-party sources besides ABS-CBN and even GMA Network. For now, hold off on changing the title until there's any recent news articles mentioning the actual title. JRGuevarra (talk) 07:23, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Can third party sources count? 139.135.79.138 (talk) 06:57, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

As long as there's a few or more new independent sources to prove, then a name change may be necessary. JRGuevarra (talk) 07:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

We should wait for the official title card for the show. Hotwiki (talk) 08:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

I think that would be the best approach as well. JRGuevarra (talk) 08:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

18th season

It is clearly stated in one of the references, that its the 18th season of the show.[1] Hotwiki (talk) 06:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

General question

I don’t know why you remove the comma before the word end? But in basic English whenever there’s multiple objects or names there’s always comma before the end unless you only to objects or names. But maybe you have your reason unless it won’t make sense with the comma before the word and? It’s more common though for commas to appear before the word and. I get confused sometimes on why. 122.3.133.206 (talk) 15:07, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

No comma is acceptable. Per Serial comma, "there is no universally accepted standard for when to use the serial comma." Plenty of Wikipedia articles don't use serial comma and its completely not an issue, especially this is the only time I've encountered someone bringing it up. Hotwiki (talk) 15:14, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

That's interesting. So, is it common that some or most Wikipedia articles don't use serial comma? JRGuevarra (talk) 08:42, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Per MOS:SERIAL - "Editors may use either convention so long as each article is internally consistent. Serial commas are more helpful when article text is complex, such as a list with multi-word items (especially if one contains its own "and") or a series of probably unfamiliar terms." Listing down the hosts in the opening lead isn't a complex subject. As long as this article consistently doesn't use serial comma, its fine. There's no rule to apply serial comma in every Wikipedia article. Hotwiki (talk) 13:33, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Move to mainspace

Let's move this to mainspace now as there are already enough references to support the article. It will be expanded once it airs. AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 05:08, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

It hasn't even begun filming yet. Hotwiki (talk) 07:24, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

It has now. so, moving it back would be much easier. It just premiered today. Japemizen627 (talk) 12:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

MOVE BACK TO ARTICLE

As for everyone's information, this edition just premiered hours ago.

I was wondering why it was moved to a draftspace even though the show has already begun.

Be reasonable. Watch TV. Even GMA Network already revealed their set of housemates Japemizen627 (talk) 12:10, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Section arrangement

Hello @Hotwiki. I do not want to do make any issue with your arrangement style of the sections, but the Pinoy Big Brother articles have been using the usual style of placing the development sections and all other things regarding production on top. This has been going on since 2005. And that is a fact because I have been editing Pinoy Big Brother articles since then. This would also be consistent with the other articles.

By the way, the same style/format is also being followed by Big Brother (British TV series) series 21, Big Brother VIP (Albanian TV series) season 4, Big Brother (Australian TV series) season 15, and a lot more Big Brother articles.

So if you would be so kind to put it back. I just want to put it here so that I do not start any edit war.-- AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 14:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

The arrangement style you're referring to isn't even mentioned in MOS:TV. The cast section is usually mentioned before development/production. Please read MOS:TV and follow the guidelines from it. Hotwiki (talk) 14:47, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

MOS:TV is quite long to read. Can you cite which part of it—if possible, quote it—says that casting should be placed first than everyone else? I would like to be enlightened. —- AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 15:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

I have found it:

should generally follow the suggested formatting outlined below

It mentions “general” and “suggested formatting”. It only provides a suggested flow, it is not the standard. If you will have to change it to the current set-up, it will deviate to the style of the articles. AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 15:14, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Well I disagree, putting the cast section below the development. Just follow Wikipedia's manual of style for Television articles. Also, I've checked the other Pinoy Big Brother Wikipedia articles - the articles are either outdated or aren't formatted/written very well. I don't think those are good examples for this article to emulate in the first place. Hotwiki (talk) 15:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Also if MOS:TV describes it as "suggested formatting", then its completely fine just to follow it then rather than opposing their suggestions. The articles you've mentioned aren't classed as featured article and good article. Hotwiki (talk) 15:27, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Also to clarify things, a cast section is different from a casting section. There is no casting section in this article. The Housemates section clearly falls under MOS:TVCONTESTANT, which is listed above Development section in MOS:TV Hotwiki (talk) 15:35, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

If we follow MOS:TVCONTESTANT, there is also no mention of a standard arrrangement. However, it provided the following:

"Whether for the main article, season, or episode article, this section could contain the following parts:

Development: This can cover the development of a series, season or episode, including what led to its creation, production entities behind the project, as well as its format (such as with a game show or reality series).

Casting: This can cover the hiring of actors or personalities associated with the series or episode.

Writing: This can include notable writers and the development of any scripts.

Production design: This could highlight information about set design or special features that make up a set or scene, or other design elements such as costumes, makeup and practical effects, or title sequences.

Filming: This can cover aspects related to filming, such as locations, single-camera or multi-camera format, equipment used, and filming dates.

Visual effects: This could include individuals or companies related to the visual effects of a show, and how the effects were developed and incorporated.

Music: This could include details of the composers and how any scores or themes were developed and recorded. The template {Infobox album} can be used for the score or the collection, although cover images of the albums are discouraged (album covers are generally visually similar to posters and other material for a series, season or episode, having cover images for the album is considered extraneous). If an album is notable enough for a stand-alone article (see notability guidelines for albums), an album infobox with a cover image can exist in the new article. Tracks from the score can be identified and discussed in prose, or used with the {Track listing} template.

Cancellation and future: This may address details that led to a show's cancellation, or the status of any future plans."

Among others, development was listed on top. Being that, there is no clear standard as to how reality shows should be organized. However, from my point of view, aside from that we should be following the "norm" in Pinoy Big Brother articles, putting the "development" on top seems to be more logical as you would have to learn why the show came to be: renewal, etc. Then after knowing the show's background, you then introduce the contestants. Even if the show is already in its 20th year, not all who is reading the article knows its background.

Though you may argue that the previous seasons were not listed as featured articles and good articles, the article you have cited (Big Brother 26 (American season)) is not a featured one nor a good one as well. AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 04:52, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

You are confusing the housemates/Houseguests section as the casting section of this article. Let me it make clear for you, this is the guideline order from MOS:TV

1. Infobox

2. Image

3. Lead paragraphs

4. Plot section

5. Cast and characters section (this is where Housemates/Houseguests sections land)

6. Contestant Progression tables (Housemates section also covers this)

7. Background and production (Development, casting, writing, production design, filming, visual effects, music, cancelation/future) Hotwiki (talk) 06:20, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, Big Brother 26 (American season) isn't a featured article but it at least more in line with the manual of Style for television articles, which is why I used it as an example. I can't say that to other Pinoy Big Brother articles. Follow the manual of style. Hotwiki (talk) 06:25, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I looked up the article of the last Celebrity season of Pinoy Big Brother- Pinoy Big Brother: Celebrity Edition 2. The article is poorly sourced, with lots of unreferenced edits. While the article of Pinoy Big Brother: Gen 11 has a lot fancruft materials, with several sections without a single reference (logo, theme songs, prizes, twists, reunion). So I really don't think its a good idea to use the other Pinoy Big Brother Wikipedia articles as a guideline, on how to structure this article. Hotwiki (talk) 06:40, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Network

Is it going to be only broadcasted under GMA, because it will be both shown on GMA and ABS CBN because Pinoy Big Brother was and is primarily broadcasted under ABS CBN Japemizen627 (talk) 03:48, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it's only broadcasted on free TV via GMA Network in the Philippines. Although, Kapamilya Online Live and Kapuso Stream on Facebook and YouTube have also live stream its episodes simultaneously. JRGuevarra (talk) 05:10, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Removal of the Twists section and explanation on the Duo (and the "original partner" label in the Housemates list)

Why is there a NEED TO DELETE the Twists section in the article and the explanation on the Duos twist, which an INTEGRAL part of the gameplay in this season? We indicated the "Original Partner" of initial Duo pair in the Housemates list WITHOUT listing of explaining that mechanics of the game. Moreover, we need to emphasize the term used by the show, which is Duo, and not just any "partner." Aeron Valderrama (talk) 12:59, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree with the twists section being restored as it is an integral part of the season, like what you posited. PBB is a show were a large mass of twists is inevitable so having such a section holds merit. Its proposed placement in the episode or tasks column makes no sense as the former is unlikely to be formed given the show's format and nature, and the latter is inappropriate.

As for the label in the Housemates list, "partner" is the correct term here as we are only referring to the Housemate's other half in the duo (i.e. their partner). Semantically speaking, the term "duo" should be used when referring to the pair together, and "partner" when referring to one of the two with respect to the other, as is done in the specified column. TofuMuncher (talk) 21:11, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

I think it is better to have a separate table for the list of partners as the partners will change soon. Allyriana000 (talk) 11:13, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

There was a section made for Collab Duos history in the previous edits, we can sort of restore the section. Aeron Valderrama (talk) 01:53, 18 March 2025 (UTC)