Talk:Real-life experience (transgender)

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Process of confirmation

I modified the Lead to represent that a confirmation process is being followed (rather than simply having a timeframe). It was a very difficult edit given the nuance and complexity of the subject matter. Please reach out and let me know your thoughts if they differ.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 01:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Heyo. Seems like while you were typing this I've already reverted to the prior version. Unfortunately your change was not an improvement. RLE was not seen as minimally impactful, as it required a trans person to live and present full-time, often in circumstances that risked serious physical and mental harm to that person. If the trans person did not do so, they would be denied any transition related healthcare. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:10, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and the insight. (As I mentioned, I was very concerned with my edit, I don't take anything personally in terms of other perspectives - perhaps and initially I was taken aback at an automated "vandalism" moniker on the revert - and the swiftness of the revert (reads to me as a quite harsh approach to other people) - no big deal however - I some notes to myself on my talk page which speak to my perceptions regarding tool enhanced editing) Also know that this article was suggested for editing for new editors and that is a consideration (it might not be appropriate) . How do you feel or think about "process v timeframe?" BTW it is very nice meeting you and working with you.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 01:19, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure where you're seeing a vandalism marker on the revert? It's got the standard undo tag that gets applied to almost every revert, and the "undid revision <id>" text is generated by the system. Speed wise, article is on my watchlist, and I happened to be looking at it as it came in.

"process v timeframe" is that to replace just the "period of time" text? If so that's probably fine, though I'd be tempted to add a descriptor onto "process", to indicate that it is no longer recommended and has received substantial criticism from researchers and human rights organisations. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:26, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

That concern was in part aka why I was struggling (to change from period of time to process) to put the change in proper context. Also I was both very impressed and informed by your statement " RLE ... a trans person to live and present full-time, often in circumstances that risked serious physical and mental harm to that person." personally (which does not count for very much) I don't like the idea of having to assuage "other people" or follow a process, or wait for a timeframe that someone else set as a barrier - to follow a personal right which I consider to be sacrosanct. Not only that "there is also risk" which was not obvious to me until you pointed it out. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 01:42, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Just added a slash - period of time/process <-- let me know what you think.. if it adds accuracy or readability (or not) .. PS I am doing searches for "RLE as a barrier" Flibbertigibbets (talk) 01:48, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

We usually don't do slash terms in articles, except where it's contextually relevant. You may want to change that into prose. Perhaps ...is the period of time or process in which... Changes to the text from the previous version are in italics. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:51, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Barrier, in business it would be Barriers to entry, or perhaps the barrier has been masked in an Arbitrary and capricious Medical protocol Flibbertigibbets (talk) 01:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)