Talk:SMS Scorpion (1860)

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Review: February 5, 2025. (Reviewed version).

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GA Review

Passed. Matarisvan (talk) 11:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:SMS Scorpion (1860)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Parsecboy (talk · contribs) 11:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Matarisvan (talk · contribs) 11:27, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Parsecboy, I will be doing this review. My comments:

Add alt text for the infobox image?
Link through ILL to the German wiki page for Hela (Schiff, 1854)?
Link through ILL to the German wiki page for Eduard Heldt?
Link through ILL to the German wiki page for Renown (Schiff, 1857)?
- I'll write the ship articles soon enough, and I don't want to create more work to come back and fix the links here, but I did add the one for Heldt, since articles on the admirals will be a much longer-distance project
Though this is elementary, link to Danzig?
- Done
Add the 15-inch RK L/22 gun to the infobox?
- The box is for original configuration
Link to Erich Gröner in the biblio?
- Done
Add the Scorpion to the List of ship decommissionings in 1877 list?
- This ship would actually go on List of ship decommissionings in 1871, which we don't have at the moment.
Because there are only 11 citations here, I will be spot-checking all of them. Could you provide the quotations for all of these? Once you do so and execute the above changes, I can promote the article immediately afterwards.
- Send me an email and I can send you scans of Hildebrand and Groner - the rest will have to wait until after work. Parsecboy (talk) 13:04, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Parsecboy, sent the email. Matarisvan (talk) 09:53, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's all from me. Cheers Matarisvan (talk) 11:27, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Parsecboy, I added the alt text for the infobox image, and I also received the scans of the sources. I have one final comment before I start the source review: Consider adding this article to the List of ship launches in 1861? Matarisvan (talk) 11:45, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It would actually go on List of ship launches in 1860, which I've added it to. Parsecboy (talk) 13:06, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Parsecboy, here goes the source review:

Refs #4, #10 and #11 (partly): Hildebrand, Röhr, & Steinmetz Vol. 7, p. 148–149. All citations ok. I believe we could use another detail from this source: The ship was named not just after the animal, but also the Scorpius constellation.

Added

Refs #2 and #6: All citations ok. Some details I think could be added here: The cost of 47,000 marks and the inflation-adjusted value. The engines were built by Borsig of Berlin, consider linking though ILL to Borsig (Unternehmen)? The propellers and boilers were built by AG Vulcan Stettin and Möller & Holberg (later Stettiner Oderwerke [de]). Consider linking? We could also add the screw propeller's diameter (1.88m) and the schooner's area (300 sq. m.) However, the choice is entirely yours.

These are all technical details that belong in the class article; in general, class articles should focus on technical details and summarize service histories of individual ships, and articles on individual ships should be the reverse. Parsecboy (talk) 00:44, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ref #7: Embree, p. 272. All ok.
Ref #1: Nottelmann, pp. 65–66. All ok.

I still do not have the scans for refs #5, #9 and #11 (only p. 22). Once you provide these and reply to the above points, I think I can safely pass this review. Cheers Matarisvan (talk) 14:47, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is, frankly, excessive. You are well beyond the scope of simple spot checks (the point of which is to ensure that the writer is not plagiarizing or misrepresenting sources - you have far more than enough to accomplish those tasks) and far beyond what a GAN requires. Parsecboy (talk) 00:44, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Parsecboy, I only asked for those 3 scans because I am reviewing this article from an FA perspective, not a GA perspective. I thought you would want to nominate the article for FAC sooner or later, and there were only 11 citations, so I thought I could review all of them and post at the FAC review that I had checked all 11 citations. Please let me know if you can provide those scans, and I'll try to review them in detail, otherwise the article can be promoted to GA as is. Matarisvan (talk) 10:06, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article will likely never go to FAC - there are far too many articles in the backlog and I haven't actually posted a FAC in quite some time. Even just the light cruiser list has enough articles in the backlog that it's literally about 5 years worth of FACs if I ran them back to back. Parsecboy (talk) 11:16, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Parsecboy, then I have no need to check all of the sources. I will be promoting this one. However, please tag me on any FAC you may nominate. Cheers Matarisvan (talk) 11:44, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.