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Don’t know whether this should be added or not?

Recently discovered a bit of information and seeing as I usually only edit filmography and studio information I’m not really the one to write up information like this. So I figured I’d leave it here and let everyone else decide. Joaquim Dos Santos, who was one of the directors of Across the Spider-Verse and the upcoming Beyond the Spider-Verse mevoie revealed in an interview that he actually had a meeting with the Lord about working on the first Spider-Verse movie but couldn’t due to being contracted to work on Voltron Legendary Defender at the time. Link - https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/anime/exclusive-joaquim-dos-santos-shares-his-love-for-anime-reflects-on-his-journey-and-talks-spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-1285246 Max1057 (talk) 23:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quote or NPOV?

The article mentions one of the goals stated by the producers being "to not repurpose other artists' work plagiarized by AI." It doesn't indicate if this is a direct quote. The ethics of generative AI are heavily debated; if this isn't a quote, it's NPOV, and if it is a quote it's (ironically) plagiarism. If it's a paraphrase, it's appropriate to put "plagiarized" in quotes, but better to use a direct quote because using quotes around a word can be used to convey skepticism.

Ethics debates around generative AI often devolve into a stalemate argument with one side arguing that humans somehow invent "new" art with no explanation while the AI just "copies" what it took in and spits out some amalgamation of everything it's seen; while the other side argues that humans actually Thomas Hobbes, and just "copy" what they've taken in and spit out some amalgamation as "new" art. This opens the door for questions of whether a human drawing anime-style characters with spiky hair is plagiarizing Akira Toriyama's work, and how it's different from a generative AI that's been trained on sources including Akira Toriyama's work.

It's essentially a debate between formalism versus intentionalism: if the output is original, then it's original, as per formalism; or, if the human takes in the work of many artists and creates an original work, they are applying the subjective human experience with the intent to create an original work, so even if it is just a rehash of everything they've seen in their life bent into a new shape it's still a matter of intent and thus original, while a machine applying exactly the same mathematical process as said human's neurons to arrive at the same result doesn't have feelings so can't have real intent and is just making a derivative work as per intentionalism. John Moser (talk) 02:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The original source actually used "stolen" in this context (as that is what Christopher Miller used), although I had swapped it for "plagiarized" as that is synonymous with it. Although, to quell any POV concerns, I have simply reworded it to read "to not repurpose other artists' work through AI". Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no link for Justin K. Thompson?

Justin K Thompson 82.14.222.80 (talk) 19:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Justin K. Thompson" is not linked in this article because the current redirect, Justin K. Thompson, points directly back to this article, and a full article has not yet been made about this subject. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add in the possible rumour of BTSV getting mostly scrapped due to creative decisions

Here’s the link for you to add in the “sequel” section https://variety.com/2024/film/news/beyond-the-spider-verse-chris-miller-denies-sony-cut-spider-man-film-1236139851/ as right now nothings been scrapped being another update on BTSV 2605:B100:535:C40:7070:D9B:1235:A274 (talk) 14:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia isn't the place for rumours, wait until anything is confirmed. Indagate (talk) 14:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reports pertaining to this are adequately covered at the draft for this film, Draft:Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse, though, they should not be included here as to not put WP:UNDUEWEIGHT in this article. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

but variety says that here https://variety.com/2024/film/news/beyond-the-spider-verse-chris-miller-denies-sony-cut-spider-man-film-1236139851/ 70.48.81.250 (talk) 02:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the grand scheme of things, this report ultimately will not be relevant to this article as we know it is being made and that it is planned to get a new release gate eventually. The draft and eventually article is sufficient and adequately covers this content as needed. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:34, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]