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The Case Against Free Speech: The First Amendment, Fascism, and the Future of Dissent

Could anyone with access to The Case Against Free Speech: The First Amendment, Fascism, and the Future of Dissent by P. E. Moskowitz share what is on page 249? It is cited twice in the article. Mooonswimmer 21:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Idk why it says page 249, it is page 75/6 in my copy and the same material that comes up in the given Google url, describing SWU as a right wing pro-Israel group amongst other commentary:

"Right-wing pro-Israel groups, along with other right-wing groups, have descended onto college campuses as part of a larger strategy of intellectual domination: by funding student groups, fellows, events, and increasingly professorships and entire programs at colleges, conservatives are attempting to build an intellectual ecosystem friendly to their ideas. Students influenced by these groups go on to produce scholarship, write for news outlets, and become paid experts on television. This is not a secret mission, but something stated with pride by many of these organizations. On its website, StandWithUs, for example, used to proclaim that it has "a sizeable team of campus professionals and lay leaders who are dedicated to supporting students’ efforts to promote and defend Israel amid the virulent anti-Israel movement." But often the techniques used by these groups go beyond simple education or activist training into something more akin to harassment." Selfstudier (talk) 11:09, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Does it say anything about SWU "suppressing free speech"? Mooonswimmer 15:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not directly that I can see. Selfstudier (talk) 15:45, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disrupting Jewish Voice for Peace Meeting (2010)

Should this subsection in the "Campaigns and activities" section be kept? The disruption was not organized by SWU, and the protesters "stressed" that they acted as individuals and not as part of an organized SWU action.

JWeekly source:

Dr. Michael Harris, a leader with SF Voice for Israel/StandWithUs, said the disruption of a JVP meeting was something he and his colleagues had never done before, but chose to do “because they were having this celebration of heckling Netanyahu. Since [JVP] decided [heckling] was acceptable political discourse, we decided to do the same thing.”

He stressed that he and his nine fellow protesters acted as individuals and not as part of an organized Stand With Us action.

JTA source:

Michael Harris, a leader with San Francisco Voice for Israel/StandWithUs, said the disruption of a Jewish Voice for Peace meeting was something he and his colleagues had never done before, but chose to do so “because they were having this celebration of heckling Netanyahu. Since they decided this was acceptable political discourse, we decided to do the same thing."

Harris said that he and his nine fellow protesters acted as individuals and not as part of an organized StandWithUs action. Mooonswimmer 15:12, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The sources state that Harris, a leader with SF Voice for Israel/StandWithUs, and his group innovated by disrupting a jvp meeting. They were there representing StandWithUs, and therefore it is fair to associate it with the movement. One doesn't need an official handout claiming responsibility and SWU 'educates' those who come within its training to actively intervene on campus and elsewhere. They cannopt distance themselves from what their trainees do.Nishidani (talk) 15:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"They were there representing StandWithUs, and therefore it is fair to associate it with the movement." What source substantiates this? The disruptors emphasized that they were not acting as part of an organized StandWithUs action. Including the incident in the "Campaigns and activities" subsection makes it seem as if it were a substantial disruption effort coordinated by SWU, when that doesn't seem to be the case. But perhaps we'll need a few more opinions. Mooonswimmer 18:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Don't really know much about this, I would say that if SWU continued to maintain relations with the SWU members involved, didn't cancel their membership, censure them, etc then for all practical purposes they represented SWU. The persons appear to include significant members of SWU. Selfstudier (talk) 16:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Switch “Zionist advocacy” to “Israel advocacy” or “Israel Education?”

StandWithUs claims to be an Israel Education organization (see mission statement on StandWithUs website).

I think it would make more sense to either change “Zionist advocacy group” to “Israel education organization” or “Israel advocacy organization.” Tuvyaamiller (talk) 05:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Response to edit request) Not done, as no reliable sources have been provided to support this change. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 07:48, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]