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On 30 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Star Trek: Section 31 (film) to Star Trek: Section 31. The result of the discussion was moved.

Title

Is it confirmed that the title of this series is Section 31? -- /Alex/₂₁ 06:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is just the common title. At the moment I don't think the series has actually officially been ordered yet, all the recent press releases have just said that it is in development. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:42, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Other drafts

I've redirected Draft:Untitled Philippa Georgiou series to this draft. There may be others. BilCat (talk) 22:52, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

FYI I have started a discussion at Talk:Star Trek: Section 31#Requested move 30 March 2024 that could impact this article. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:48, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Star Trek: Section 31 which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 21:25, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Why does it use the television infobox when it's a film? Other streaming films like Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery and Teen Wolf: The Movie (the latter example also being a Paramount+ film spun off of a TV series) use the film infobox, and the argument of "it's a television film" doesn't hold up when there's no functional difference in this case other than vague meaningless marketing language. Goweegie2 (talk) 10:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not being a "pedant", this article has been using the television infobox for more than a year and you changed it without any explanation or discussion. I am well within my right to revert your WP:BOLD change and ask for you to gain consensus for it at the talk page. Per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, the fact that other articles do something is not enough justification for it being done at another article.

As I noted in my edit summary, Glass Onion is not a good comparison because that is a feature film produced by a streaming company, not a TV film. Teen Wolf is a better comparison. For Teen Wolf and for Section 31 we have the option of using the film infobox or the TV film infobox since they are TV films. I believe the TV infbox is more appropriate, as this film is being produced by the same people who make the Star Trek TV series and is not equivalent to the Star Trek feature films that use the film infobox. For example, the main producers of this film are credited as Executive Producers--just as they are on the TV series--in all our reliable sources, and the TV infobox lets us credit them appropriately. If we used the film infobox we would not be able to include them unless we put them in the wrong place. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"reception section" needs to be restored

an editor has just removed most of the section for "reception." they had no consensus to do so. they removed material from several editors, and replaced it with their own version. Sm8900 (talk) 13:33, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

tagging @Specialsam110, @TanookiMike, @kingarti, @BestDaysofMusic Sm8900 (talk) 13:36, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did not remove "most of the section". I removed this sentence, which is unsourced and inappropriate: During the first week following the release of Star Trek: Section 31, there was a large quantity of reviews of the film, most of them negative. I removed the Forbes source per WP:FORBESCON. The rest is all still there, though I did give it a much needed c/e. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:40, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing this, unfortunately I do not think the full-writing-out of the headlines, the lack of naming the author, and the extensive quoting are appropriate. We need to do WP:INTEXT attribution and be more concise with referencing various reviews to avoid undue focus on any one of them. Erik (talk | contrib) 13:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I never edited the "Reception" section so I have no stake in this. I only took on the Herculean task of trying to write a first draft of the "plot" summary, which was also thankfully given a c/e by adamstom97 (I should have done it myself before uploading it, but the experience of not only watching this stinker but taking detailed notes on it had the effect of a Vulcan nerve pinch on me). Specialsam110 (talk) 15:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification on Star Trek: Section 31 Classification

Hello, everyone.

I would like some clarification regarding the classification of Star Trek: Section 31 as a television film. While I understand the film originated as a TV series and was developed by the Star Trek television crew, it was ultimately released directly to streaming as a Paramount+ original feature.

According to Wikipedia's article on the subject, a television film "is a feature-length film that is produced and originally distributed by or to a television network, in contrast to...direct-to-video films made for initial release on home video formats."

Based on this definition, Section 31 does not seem to qualify as a TV movie, as it was released directly to a streaming platform and not intended for broadcast on television once it ceased to be a series.

There appears to be some ambiguity surrounding this classification, and I would appreciate any insight into why some streaming films are labeled as TV movies here, while others (especially those of a similar nature to this one) are not. Wouldn't it be more accurate to describe Section 31 as a "film based on a television series" and "the first non-theatrical Star Trek film," avoiding TV movie language?

I'm not trying to start a debate, just seeking clarity on the reasoning behind this classification. I understand "Article X does/doesn't do this, so Article Y should/shouldn't" isn't reason enough to change this page. Could someone please direct me to any relevant policies or guidelines on this matter? Thank you for your time and assistance! - UltimaGamer13 (talk) 16:40, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A series made specifically for a streaming service, such as Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, is still a "television series" even though it wasn't made for traditional television. The same logic applies here, the film wasn't made for traditional television but it is made for streaming television which is what makes it a "television film". The fact that it was re-developed from a series isn't important, the same logic would apply if it was always intended to be a film. Saying "television film" also differentiates this from the theatrical feature films. The lines between traditional television, streaming, and home media have got quite blurry in the last 15 years or so and I suspect the article you are referring to hasn't been updated to reflect that. It is also unclear where the line is between television film and feature film when it comes to streaming services, this also came up in the Infobox discussion above and there are definitely similar projects that are not treated the same as this one on Wikipedia. One of the main arguments for sticking with the TV designation for this film is that it is specifically made by the Star Trek TV people rather than the theatrical film people, and it is treated like the series in terms of credits (e.g. it uses "executive producer" credits like a TV series). - adamstom97 (talk) 17:15, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]