Talk:The Amazing Race 34

Continue Racing Legs

It has been established there will be no non-elimination legs, but how do we know there's going to be some "continue racing" legs? 9March2019 (talk) 20:48, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

About the TAR Captionbox

Xoruz, please create the Template for a new-style TAR captionbox which only consists of the Detour, Roadblock and Pit Stop icons, implying that there will be no Fast Forwards in this season. 99.209.40.250 (talk) 12:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Results Table

Why is it so big? There is so much empty space. Could we put the "Roadblocks performed" count in the newly created cast table? I feel it would look a lot better and a lot more concise. If not, I feel we should find a way to return to one line per team, and not two, by changing the format of the "Roadblock performed" column (for example, we could write "Derek, 1; Claire, 0"). 2607:FEA8:BDDF:800:34A6:3A23:9B6C:C619 (talk) 03:05, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the latter part, one line is way better. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Please take a look at The Amazing Race 17#Results... Is that what you have in mind? Bgsu98 (talk) 03:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

If so, I think that's fine; I will go back and adjust the previous seasons' tables as well. That should narrow the length of the table down to one row per couple. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:10, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes that table on TAR17 looks fine. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay, that is a quick and easy fix. I will adjust the tables on the previous seasons. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:13, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Bgsu98 and Sportsfan 1234! That was quick! 2607:FEA8:BDDF:800:34A6:3A23:9B6C:C619 (talk) 03:33, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't see the need to keep track of how many roadblocks each team member completed. That borders on Wikipedia:Fancruft, and in some cases, has relied on original research dealing with roadblocks that were not aired as part of the actual episodes. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

That goes hand-in-hand with Big Brother's Have-Nots, as those are not shown in episodes nowadays. 9March2019 (talk) 17:36, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

I deleted all of those a while ago too. ;) Bgsu98 (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

At the moment, Leg 3 has been confirmed as a Mega Leg with two columns. Previously, there was only one column for The Amazing Race 32's Mega Leg. The question is, should there be a second column? 9March2019 (talk) 20:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I do not believe so. Bgsu98 (talk) 22:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

And as for the elimination footnotes, they should only be necessary if there were unusual circumstances (elimination before completing all of the leg's tasks, never making it to the Pit Stop, etc.). And besides, there are no notes in Big Brother voting history tables for evicted houseguests, unless something strange happened, such as a penalty eviction vote. My point here, MOS:ACCESS isn't just about making tables readable for the colorblind, it's also about making them simple to understand. Having too many footnotes can make the table more complicated and confusing to readers. 9March2019 (talk) 16:47, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

I have tried to eliminate the unnecessary footnotes on the TAR tables. Which ones do you think are still unnecessary? Bgsu98 (talk) 17:06, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

If a note says the team was simply eliminated, it's not necessary. 9March2019 (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, if the elimination is being indicated by use of the red font, it also has to be indicated via another means. Bgsu98 (talk) 22:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@9March2019 Take a look at this sample table here: User:Bgsu98/sandbox. This was an idea I was toying with. We could eliminate that footnote by replacing the placement with Last. Other last-place finishes that didn't result in elimination would still be noted as normal (non-elimination, continuing legs, etc.). Let me know what you think. Bgsu98 (talk) 22:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that will definitely work out, since "last team" is specifically mentioned by Phil Keoghan, regardless of whether the team is eliminated or not. 9March2019 (talk) 22:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Whether it meets the requirements of accessibility is questionable, but I’d be willing to try it. I agree that it would help declutter the table a bit. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Different cells for roadblock performers?

Why was that change necessary? What's wrong with "teammate A (X), teammate B (X)" in one cell? 2603:7000:96F0:8360:7D70:CBA:E1DA:DD2F (talk) 03:36, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Detour choices/Road Block participants in Race Summary

If we are supposed to be removing fancruft, why are there now long sentences in the Race Summary section listing out teams and their Detour choices/Road Block participants? For 20 years, the section was supposed to be an uncluttered space for just the facts on each task and Route Marker/location. Including these lists of teams leaves the section more confusing than it needs to be and definitely falls under the fancruft label. If people want a full-on recap of the episode here on Wikipedia, then that's a whole other discussion. Why remove the unintrusive Road Block counts in the table, but then add more unnecessary words in the Race Summary? (98.234.137.6 (talk) 23:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC))

I agree that including that information in the episode summaries is questionable. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

In fact, I really don’t think that needs to be included unless something memorable happened during the task. For example, Colin’s meltdown during the ox challenge, or Lena unrolling the hay bales for hours. On the other hand, I do think clarifying the winners of Fast Forwards, or users/victims of Yields/U-Turns, partnerships during Intersections, etc. are appropriate to episode summaries. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, if those things can't be included in the results table anymore, perhaps separating those things from the task descriptions so as not to turn them into long paragraphs. 98.234.137.6 (talk) 02:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Please take a look at The Amazing Race 1 and let me know what you think of that layout. I removed some of the excessive fancruft (long lists of names and teams who did what challenge, and so on). Bgsu98 (talk) 02:56, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Leg 5

How do we know who tested positive for COVID-19 prior to the start of the fifth leg? Will some eliminated teams be brought back in the race? 99.209.40.250 (talk) 12:30, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

We don't, and who knows? Bgsu98 (talk) 20:42, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

The end of last night's episode included a sneak peek at the next episode, with Phil Keoghan revealing on camera someone had contracted COVID-19. 9March2019 (talk) 21:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

You mean one of the remaining teams, right? 104.247.238.154 (talk) 20:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, one of the remaining teams was reported to have an individual test positive for COVID-19. Since such an announcement was made, it will affect the race in some way. 9March2019 (talk) 20:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Abby & Will

Since Abby and Will did NOT participate in Leg 5, their cell within the table should be grayed out. 9March2019 (talk) 02:49, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

We could put the elimination note in their cell from the previous leg. Sort of like those teams in season 32 who just didn’t return. Bgsu98 (talk) 02:52, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

You mean season 33; I edited the table to reflect the unexpected news. 9March2019 (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the season that was interrupted. The way you edited it looks good! Bgsu98 (talk) 03:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I think they should be listed as eliminated 8th this week. Unlike the teams from last season, they got to say goodbye and their absence turned what should have been an elimination leg into an non-elimination leg. Leaving their removal on leg 4 makes it seem like they were removed during that leg, when it was during this leg. 2603:7000:96F0:8360:89B5:66DE:222C:E10C (talk) 04:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

The fact is, Abby & Will were removed BEFORE the start of Leg 5, so their cell in the results table must be grayed out. Cells that are grayed out mean the team did not compete in the legs. As for Dave & Connor's withdrawal, that took place DURING Leg 5 of Season 22, which makes it correct to include a placement for that cell. Here, it's a different story. 9March2019 (talk) 12:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I absolutely agree. Even Phil's wording was similar to the restart of last season, where he said something to the effect of "As you can see, not all of the teams are here." Abby & Will's race journey ended in the previous episode when they checked in at the end of Leg 4. Due to circumstances beyond their control, they simply could not resume the race in Leg 5. They did not finish Leg 5 in 8th place or any other place. Additionally, the argument could be made that the placement for Dave & Connor's elimination could also be removed as they didn't really finish in Xth place; they arrived at the pit stop first having skipped all tasks and they quit. They should still be in the column for that particular leg. but I could see removing the Xth placement and leaving just the dagger with the notation that's already there. But that's an issue for that season and not this one. Bgsu98 (talk) 14:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the last post, look back at Dave and Connor on S22--68.196.23.37 (talk) 06:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I watched the episode last night, and I found that what Phil says to the other races, along the lines of "someone's already been eliminated so no more teams will be eliminated" implying that while Abby + Will were told of their elimination before the leg started, their elimination served as this leg's elimination. In other words, we should mark then as something like "DNP" (Did not place) for this leg and note they were eliminated at the very start due to COVID. --Masem (t) 12:55, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

That would be more appropriate for Dave & Connor's voluntary withdrawal from Season 22's 5th leg. Here, Abby & Will's medical removal is similar to the four teams who simply could not return for Season 33's restart. These eliminations took place in between legs as opposed to within a particular leg. Placements for legs are only necessary if teams competed in them (even if they just went to the pit stop and quit the race). 9March2019 (talk) 13:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

While I am saying is that while the announcement of their elimination was before the start of the leg and thus seemingly never part of that leg, Phil's language implied that that elimination was the elimination for Leg 5 and not the previous leg (hence why no one had to worry about racing to be last, only to avoid the bad start time on Leg 6). This also stays true to the post-season interviews that this season had no non-elimination legs. Masem (t) 14:07, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Take a look at the adjustment I made to the elimination table and let me know if you think it is acceptable. The Amazing Race 34#Results Bgsu98 (talk) 16:18, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Minor wording to be clear on the efn but that's how I would definitely represent it given how Phil expected it pre-leg to the other racers Masem (t) 16:26, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

The New Format Changes for the TAR Wikipedia Pages Need to Be Changed

Quote from Reality Fan Forum and G.B. who edits on the TAR Wikipedia often,

"They're being slaves to the 'Manual of Style', which is not a set of hard RULES that every page has to follow, it's a guideline that's used to improve pages and make them as accessible as possible. By trying to adhere so hard to it, they're just making it unappealing and harder to read for other viewers without taking a second to actually think about their actions...

A lot of these changes are in the name of people who use screen-readers...I mean, sure, that's nice, but at some point you gotta realize that a screen-reader isn't going to be able to read everything perfectly no matter how nicely you format it, especially when you consider it's a results table." - G.B.

These new formats changes to the TAR Wikipedia is super disappointing and annoying. There is no reason for these ugly formats. I hugely plead for you guys to reverse these edits. I have been making my own TAR Wikipedia style Wikipedia on Google Docs, so people have something nice to look at and something easily understandable.

Thank you, Landon LandonM170 (talk) 22:46, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Map

Can we change the route map to be focused on Europe like the one from TAR33? There's a lot of unused space in this one. We can expand the map slightly so that Jordan is within view, but we don't need to see all of Africa and Asia, and the US can be up in the corner. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:E8BF:9135:5264:9A3 (talk) 01:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Can we change the route map to be focused on Europe like the one from TAR33? There's a lot of unused space in this one. We can expand the map slightly so that Jordan is within view, but we don't need to see all of Africa and Asia, and the US can be up in the corner. TheNewLayoutReallySucks (talk) 23:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Distance

Hmm? The distance is not mentioned in this article. I don't know how long this season traveled. Can someone add the distance (in miles) to this article? 99.209.40.250 (talk) 14:00, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Please, look in reliable sources to see where the distance (in miles) for this season is. 99.209.40.250 (talk) 13:26, 18 September 2023 (UTC)