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Controversies section needs to actually say controversial things.

"Extremism" should be cashed out.

But much worse is the section which just says it's popular. The idea that leftism being popular is bad does not make any sense.

I came here because I heard someone say that the part has fascists in its ranks - something actually bad - but instead this page just tells me that the party believes their policies and their policies are popular. CrickedBack (talk) 23:39, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Die Linke really doesn't deserve a controversies page in the first place; there simply haven't been many big crazy scandals coming out of this party. 172.58.167.76 (talk) 00:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delusional not to call this party far-left.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210925-could-far-left-die-linke-become-part-of-next-german-government

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/german-far-left-disbands-after-senior-member-quits-to-form-rival-group/

https://www.voanews.com/a/populist-left-leader-moves-to-launch-new-german-party-/7322313.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/16/carola-rackete-activist-aiming-to-revive-germany-far-left-die-linke-party

There's four reliable, neutral sources that call Die Linke Far-left. This very wikipedia article calls it the "furthest left party in German parliament," and it is the literal descendent of the East German communist party. Change this, please. 172.58.166.10 (talk) 01:15, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, and there was just another article that called them "Far-Left", in Politico[1]. How many reputable mainstream sources have to call them far-left before we consider that to have more weight than a hardcopy book that I can't even verify without going out and finding the book, and a single passing mention that isn't even focused solely on Die Linke in another book which parties are more open to running "immigrant origin" candidates, not interpreting their actual ideologies per se. Manuductive (talk) 03:03, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the "Internal factions" section, you'll find that there are far-left factions. I don't agree that the party is far-left in its entirety. The "Extremism and populism" section does a good job of explaining why. Robby.is.on (talk) 08:59, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

well it's not about if some on Wikipedia agrees, there were many reputable sources that call the whole party far left then it should be called far left. Isn't Wikipedia about reporting reputable sources and not original research? 62.90.189.104 (talk) 12:01, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I pointed to the "Extremism and populism" section for sourced-based reasoning. Have you read it? Robby.is.on (talk) 10:56, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe there is enough support for the "far-left" label in the article that we can update the lead paragraph to reflect this. Manuductive (talk) 15:52, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

An environment section seems to be missing...

I just happaned to see that there is no enviroment section in this article. Or at least that I didnt found one. But this article could perhaps look at the German article for inspiration with regard to that. They write as follows (translated by google):

Environment...

The party's desired economic policy is oriented towards the common good and environmental protection. The goal is the unity of social, ecological and economic sustainability. For example, a tax and levy system is to be developed that promotes environmentally friendly action and burdens environmentally harmful behaviour.

The primary goal of an ecological restructuring is a decentralization of electricity generation and supply. To this end, the electricity grids are to be nationalized. Increasing energy efficiency, Reducing energy consumption and focusing on renewable energies are necessary to solve the energy problems, according to the Left Party. The party wants to further accelerate the nuclear phase-out. In addition, the export of nuclear technology is firmly rejected.

Other goals of the environmental and nature conservation policy of the Left Party are:

Sustainable use of natural resources and comprehensive environmental education Environmentally friendly regional economic cycles Expansion of organic agriculture and forest management Designation of further nature and landscape conservation areas... Reducing environmentally harmful subsidies in favour of financing environmental and nature conservation measures...

And so on... 194.71.19.189 (talk) 18:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, this is a big omission. Could you list some third-party sources for WP:verifiability? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 21:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ideologies in the infobox

Llonya I think its best to address your proposed changes here and see if we can get a consensus. First, antimilitarism and anti-fascism are not political ideologies. Antimilitarism is a doctrine, while anti-fascism is a political movement. As for green politics, I can't see where in the sources you listed any explicitly now say an ideology of the party is green politics (in keeping with WP:SYNTH. As for left-wing populism, its cited with two sources in the main text. Also, for further reference, please include your sources as citations rather than placing them in the edit description. Helper201 (talk) 11:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article name

Why is the article name a translation of a name (The Left) instead of the name (Die Linke) itself? I see this is done with more German party names articles but not with Dutch ones. IIVQ (talk) 08:58, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Translating the names of political parties is very common. You referenced Dutch political parties, but one example is Party for the Animals, which is directly translated from the Dutch Partij voor de Dieren. The convention is to translate the names of political parties, but to retain their native language abbreviations. Consider, for example, the Dutch Party for Freedom, which keeps its Dutch initials PVV. But getting back to Germany, there are many other examples of this, such as Alternative for Germany (initials: AfD), Social Democratic Party of Germany (initials: SPD), and others. JasonMacker (talk) 21:27, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles are supposed to follow practise in reliable sources, which in this case mostly use the English translation. Some names are never translated. TFD (talk) 19:24, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, most English-language sources use its German name, as "The Left" is not readily identifiable. If you say "Die Linke" on the other hand, everyone recognises what you're talking about. Most sources in English are adhering to this practice. GOLDIEM J (talk) 02:31, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Who? tag

@Robby.is.on: For this diff, if the evidence is already present within the article, please add the relevant sources to the footnote in order to fix the tag. Cheers, it's lio! | talk | work 11:38, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a link to the "Ideology and platform" section. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:52, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! it's lio! | talk | work 12:10, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ErickTheMerrick: "The links need to be directly provided" – Then why don't you do it instead of reverting? This is bordering on disruption. Robby.is.on (talk) 17:07, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will when I get the time to. ErickTheMerrick (talk) 18:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not okay. The content was verifiable through the link. With the removal of the link you broke verification and made the article worse. Robby.is.on (talk) 19:50, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is okay, I added the links and it seems fine. What are you talking about? ErickTheMerrick (talk) 02:45, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move

I think we should change the title to Die Linke and make it the standard reference term across this Wikipedia as English speakers generally refer to the party by its German name. GOLDIEM J (talk) 16:25, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See the section 2 up. Johnbod (talk) 18:12, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]