Talk:The Tunnel (TV series)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 00:01, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Nominator: Matthew RD

Hi! My review for this article will be here shortly. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 00:01, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written

• a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
• b. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

WP:LEAD:

Check for WP:LEAD: Check for Correct Structure of Lead Section:  Done Check for Citations (WP:LEADCITE):  Done Check for Introductory text:  Done Check for Provide an accessible overview (MOS:INTRO):  Done Check for Relative emphasis:  Done Check for Opening paragraph (MOS:BEGIN):  Done Check for First sentence (WP:LEADSENTENCE):  Done Check for Format of the first sentence (MOS:BOLDTITLE):  Done Check for Proper names and titles:  Done Check for Abbreviations and synonyms (MOS:BOLDSYN): None Check for Foreign language (MOS:FORLANG): None Check for Pronunciation: None Check for Contextual links (MOS:CONTEXTLINK):  Done Check for Biographies: NA Check for Organisms: NA Check for Biographies of living persons: NA Check for Alternative names (MOS:LEADALT):  Done Check for Non-English titles: Check for Usage in first sentence: Check for Separate section usage: Check for Length (WP:LEADLENGTH):  Done Check for Clutter (WP:LEADCLUTTER): None

WP:LAYOUT:

Done Check for WP:LAYOUT:  Done Check for Body sections: WP:BODY, MOS:BODY.  Done Check for Headings and sections:  Done Check for Section templates and summary style:  Done Check for Paragraphs (MOS:PARAGRAPHS):  Done Check for Standard appendices and footers (MOS:APPENDIX):  Done Check for Order of sections (WP:ORDER):  Done Check for Works or publications:  Done Check for See also section (MOS:SEEALSO):  Done Check for Notes and references (WP:FNNR):  Done Check for Further reading (WP:FURTHER):  Done Check for External links (WP:LAYOUTEL):  Done Check for Links to sister projects:  Done Check for Navigation templates:  Done Check for Formatting:  Done Check for Images (WP:LAYIM):  Done Check for Links:  Done Check for Horizontal rule (WP:LINE):  Done

WP:WTW:

Done Check for WP:WTW:  Done Check for Words that may introduce bias:  Done Check for Puffery (WP:PEA):  Done Check for Contentious labels (WP:LABEL):  Done Check for Unsupported attributions (WP:WEASEL):  Done Check for Expressions of doubt (WP:ALLEGED):  Done Check for Editorializing (MOS:OPED):  Done Check for Synonyms for said (WP:SAY):  Done Check for Expressions that lack precision:  Done Check for Euphemisms (WP:EUPHEMISM):  Done Check for Clichés and idioms (WP:IDIOM):  Done Check for Relative time references (WP:REALTIME):  Done Check for Neologisms (WP:PEA): None Check for Offensive material (WP:F***):  Done Check for WP:MOSFICT:  Done Check for Real-world perspective (WP:Real world):  Done Check for Primary and secondary information (WP:PASI):  Done Check for Contextual presentation (MOS:PLOT):  Done

WP:EMBED:
Done Prose is preferred over list (WP:PROSE): Check for Tables (MOS:TABLES):

2: Verifiable with no original research

• a. Has an appropriate reference section: Yes
• b. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: excellent (Thorough check on Google.)

WP:RS:

Done Check for WP:RS:  Done Cross-checked with other GAs: "Be All My Sins Remember'd", "Sometimes a Great Notion (Battlestar Galactica)", "He That Believeth in Me", "The Daedalus Variations", "Adrift (Stargate Atlantis)", "Lifeline (Stargate Atlantis)", "First Strike (Stargate Atlantis)", "Fata Morgana (Sanctuary)", Strike Back (TV series), Adam Carter, Lucas North, "Series 8, Episode 1 (Spooks)", "Series 8, Episode 8 (Spooks)", "Pavor Nocturnus" (Sanctuary), "Thou Shalt Not Kill (Spooks)", "Day One (Torchwood)", "Cyberwoman", "New Allegiances", "Split Loyalties", "The Tip-Off", "On the Brink", "Nuclear Strike" (Spooks)", Mad Dogs (TV series), Maya Lahan, Spooks (series 7), "The Curse of the Black Spot", "The Impossible Astronaut", Sanctuary (season 1), Nikita (Nikita character), Helen Magnus, Sanctuary (season 2), Spooks (series 3), "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues", Strike Back: Project Dawn, "Pilot (Hawaii Five-0)", "The Hounds of Baskerville", "Looking After Our Own", Tom Quinn (Spooks), "Nest of Angels", Spooks (series 1) Check for the material (WP:RSVETTING): (not contentious)  Done Is it contentious?: No Does the ref indeed support the material?: Check for the author (WP:RSVETTING):  Done Who is the author?: Does the author have a Wikipedia article?: What are the author's academic credentials and professional experience?: What else has the author published?: Is the author, or this work, cited in other reliable sources? In academic works?: Check for the publication (WP:RSVETTING):  Done Check for Self-published sources (WP:SPS):

WP:MINREF:
Done Check for inline citations WP:MINREF:  Done Check for Direct quotations:  Done Check for Likely to be challenged:  Done Check for Contentious material about living persons (WP:BLP): NA

• c. No original research:  Done

WP:NOR:
Done Check for primary sources (WP:PRIMARY):  Done Check for synthesis (WP:SYN):  Done Check for original images (WP:OI):  Done

3: Broad in its coverage

a. Major aspects:

Done Cross-checked with other GAs: "Be All My Sins Remember'd", "Sometimes a Great Notion (Battlestar Galactica)", "He That Believeth in Me", "The Daedalus Variations", "Adrift (Stargate Atlantis)", "Lifeline (Stargate Atlantis)", "First Strike (Stargate Atlantis)", "Fata Morgana (Sanctuary)", Strike Back (TV series), Adam Carter, Lucas North, "Series 8, Episode 1 (Spooks)", "Series 8, Episode 8 (Spooks)", "Pavor Nocturnus" (Sanctuary), "Thou Shalt Not Kill (Spooks)", "Day One (Torchwood)", "Cyberwoman", "New Allegiances", "Split Loyalties", "The Tip-Off", "On the Brink", "Nuclear Strike" (Spooks)", Mad Dogs (TV series), Maya Lahan, Spooks (series 7), "The Curse of the Black Spot", "The Impossible Astronaut", Sanctuary (season 1), Nikita (Nikita character), Helen Magnus, Sanctuary (season 2), Spooks (series 3), "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues", Strike Back: Project Dawn, "Pilot (Hawaii Five-0)", "The Hounds of Baskerville", "Looking After Our Own", Tom Quinn (Spooks), "Nest of Angels", Spooks (series 1) Check for Article scope as defined by reliable sources: Check for The extent of the subject matter in these RS: Check for Out of scope: Check for The range of material that belongs in the article: Check for All material that is notable is covered: Check for All material that is referenced is covered: Check for All material that a reader would be likely to agree matches the specified scope is covered: Check for The most general scope that summarises essentially all knowledge: Check for Stay on topic and no wandering off-topic (WP:OFFTOPIC):

b. Focused:
Done Check for Readability issues (WP:LENGTH): Check for Article size (WP:TOO LONG!):

4: Neutral

WP:NPOV:

Done 4. Fair representation without bias:  Done Check for POV (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for naming (WP:POVNAMING):  Done Check for structure (WP:STRUCTURE):  Done Check for Due and undue weight (WP:DUE):  Done Check for Balancing aspects (WP:BALASPS):  Done Check for Giving "equal validity" (WP:VALID):  Done Check for Balance (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for Impartial tone (WP:IMPARTIAL):  Done Check for Describing aesthetic opinions (WP:SUBJECTIVE):  Done Check for Words to watch (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for Attributing and specifying biased statements (WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV):  Done Check for Fringe theories and pseudoscience (WP:PSCI): None Check for Religion (WP:RNPOV): None

5: Stable: No edit wars, etc: Yes

6: Images  Done (NFC with a valid FUR) (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license) (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license) (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Germany license)

Images:

Done 6: Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:  Done Check for copyright tags (WP:TAGS):  Done Check for copyright status:  Done Check for non-free content (WP:NFC):  Done Check for valid fair use rationales (WP:FUR):  Done 6: Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:  Done Check for image relevance (WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE):  Done Check for Images for the lead (WP:LEADIMAGE):  Done Check for suitable captions (WP:CAPTION):  Done

As per the above checklist, there are no issues with the article and it’s a GA. Thanks, Matthew, very much for your diligence in writing such great articles.

Promoting the article to GA status. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 22:55, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, please forgive the lateness of my reply because I had to live without internet for the past three weeks due to some storms in my homeland last month. -- Matthew RD 17:55, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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The page linked by the bot shows ratings for 2012, and The Tunnel is not listed on the page. So a source is still needed for the comments on ratings or viewership in the UK. --Prairieplant (talk) 03:40, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

In re: GA review

It is indeed en route to being a good article. But, until someone: (1) Checks all lede sentences against the main body, to ensure the lede summarises the main body, and presents no original, unsourced material; (2) Reduces lede length by a third or so, so that it is commensurate with an article of its current length, for it appears now to be much more than a concise summary; (3) Checks citations appearing against content, to make sure that material is actually properly sourced, and not only apparently so; and (4) Ensures that all content, including cast listing, is sourced, in some fashion, then it is not yet GA. MBTA ("much better than average"), yes. GA, no, only by faith/assumed quality, and not by checked quality.

As for that, the spot checking I did—looking at selective parts and sentences, and finding mis-used and missing sources—says that the foregoing work needs to be done. Le Prof 73.211.138.148 (talk) 08:00, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

third season of The Tunnel

• www.datereliz.com/serials/tunnel-season-3-release-date.html

"The Tunnel season 3 release date is planned by Sky Atlantic for the spring of 2017. The date release of The Tunnel season 3 on DVD and Bluray will probably happen in summer of 2017."

Will there be a third season of The Tunnel? This source says so, but is it credible? Seems more like speculation than solid... Please add any well-sourced related info to the article. -71.174.180.38 (talk) 22:29, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Second Season Notes to Consider Including

In episode 2x06, Elise receives a package from Eryka Klein, the "person of interest" who didn’t get on the plane that crashed into the Channel. It's a book, "Deux Pour Une" (two for one) a French version of "Das doppelte Lottchen" ("The double Lottie", English version: "Lottie and Lisa") by German author Erich Kästner, 1949. What could be the meaning of this rather personal present? Is it about Elise's lost twin or that Eryka could be a sort of very intimate double? Or both? See: Lottie_and_Lisa Jopower (talk) 11:52, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Lack of sufficient information about Canal+

This is a British-French co-production. It's a 50/50 shared production budget.

The only information about involvement by Canal+/France is about the series being a joint project, being also filmed in France, the 2013 world premiere in France, the series premiere date on Canal+, the first episode, and the viewership for Series 1 in France. There is no content about Series 2 on Canal+. There are also no French air dates for Series 2. Series 3 has begun production and there's no mention about the final season in relation to Canal+.

Additionally, everything about reception by critics is entirely from British media. The article not only needs updating but more balanced information and sources. Pyxis Solitary talk 03:35, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Added some Canal+ content. Pyxis Solitary talk 15:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Awards and nominations

Per MOS:TV, I added the section and five organizations that nominated/awarded the series. If anyone is aware of any other nomination/win and is not comfortable with adding the table, I can do it for you if you want the help. Let me know on my talk page. Pyxis Solitary talk 02:25, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Order of cast names

Per MOS:TV > Cast and characters information: I changed the order of how some names were listed according to the original broadcast credits of Series 1/episode 1 and Series 2/episode 1. I removed the *Recurring* subsections and made it into one section with the individual Series for each cast member following the name on the list. I also added a few names. Pyxis Solitary talk 10:12, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello 154.161.2.105 (talk) 18:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 4 November 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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• The Tunnel (TV series) → ?
• Tunnel (South Korean TV series) → ?

– The titles of these two TV series are either ambiguous, in which case move the former to The Tunnel (British-French TV series) (or something else), or they are not, in which case Tunnel (TV series) should be fine for the latter. I'm ambivalent on this so putting it to the masses. PC78 (talk) 16:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment. In my opinion, nothing change about Tunnel (South Korean TV series), because the official Korean-language title "터널" is just written as "Tunnel" in English. If the official title is "더 터널" which is written as "The Tunnel" in English, so in that case you can change the title like "The Tunnel (South Korean TV series)" as your opinion above. Kenny htv (talk) 18:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

The Korean series is just "Tunnel" on Netflix. PC78 (talk) 18:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I think that you don't really understand my comment. When you mentioned the South Korean TV series here, it means you want to change it title, but I think you can't in this case. Because, if the title is just "Tunnel", it's impossible because a TV series is not a tunnel, so we need to add "(TV series)" right behind to distinguish with "Tunnel". But there was already an other TV series with almost the same name (this page title), so we need to add more the country of origin to distinguish. That's why we have "Tunnel (South Korean TV series)". You can't also change it into "The Tunnel (South Korean TV series)" because of the official TV series title. If your request is only to change this page title from "The Tunnel (TV series)" to "The Tunnel (British-French TV series)" (or something else), you need to focus on it instead of mention the South Korean TV series here. Kenny htv (talk) 19:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand the request: I propose moving one article or the other, not both. The discussion is to determine which one should be moved. PC78 (talk) 19:26, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

And my comment from the beginning is no acceptable reason for moving "Tunnel (South Korean TV series)" into another title. The problem is only about "The Tunnel (TV series)". I don't really know why you mentioned the South Korean TV series in this request, because it have already a good title with more clear disambiguation than this page. As your request, if no one want to change this page title, it means Tunnel (South Korean TV series) "should be moved"? Or something else? Kenny htv (talk) 19:43, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

OK, I understand. You think move the first article and leave the Korean one where it is? I didn't quite catch your meaning before. PC78 (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

• Leave the first, move the second to Tunnel (TV series), and use a hatnote, as per WP:SMALLDETAILS. That's a much better solution IMO. To be clear, The Tunnel (British-French TV series) is a non-starter under current WP:NCTV, so the only viable alternate proposal would be "by year" disambiguation – The Tunnel (2013 TV series) and Tunnel (2017 TV series) – but I don't think that is necessary in this case. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:47, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Fine as they are. Note that moving the second to Tunnel (TV series) is not appropriate, as this is also the French title of The Tunnel. Move Tunnel (South Korean TV series) to Tunnel (TV series) (with hatnote to point to the other one as French title). Keep the other as it is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:50, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Then PC78 is right – you can't have one of these be a "primary subtopic" (WP:INCDAB), so The Tunnel (TV series) would need to be moved. Again, in that situation, the only viable option is to move both to "by year" disambiguation. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
    • How would that be, given The Tunnel is the only TV series by that exact name? The others don't have a definite article and would not be referred to using a definite article. However, the South Korean series should stay as it is given the existence of the alternative name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:46, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
      • Because, if you're saying "Tunnel" is ambiguous with "The Tunnel", then the reverse also has to be true. IOW, if "Tunnel (TV series)" has to be disambiguated from "The Tunnel (TV series)", then they both need to be disambiguated from each other... This is actually why I'm not changing my vote – I think "Tunnel (TV series)" and "The Tunnel (TV series)" are both fine, and any lingering confusion can be adequately handled by hatnotes. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:20, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
        • I'm not. The Tunnel (TV series) isn't ambiguous with anything. Tunnel (TV series) is ambiguous, however. But you're right that the latter could probably be handled by a hatnote, so yes, I'm fine for Tunnel (South Korean TV series) to be moved to Tunnel (TV series). -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:16, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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