Talk:Tipperary Tim
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Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 08:40, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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- ... that Tipperary Tim was the only racehorse out of 42 that started the 1928 Grand National to finish without unseating its rider? "Tipperary Tim, a 100-1 chance, was the only horse of forty-two starters to get round the four-and-a-half mile course without mishap in the Grand National at Aintree" from: Gripper, Ann (13 April 2012). "And they were off! The Grand National in classic Daily Mirror front pages". Daily Mirror. Retrieved 27 October 2021.
- ALT1: ... that Tipperary Tim won the 1928 Grand National at odds of 100-1? "Tipperary Tim, winner of the 1928 Aintree Grand National ... Tipperary Tim came in first at outside odds of 100/1." from Stewart, Linda (26 March 2016). "Stables housed one of Grand National's most unlikelist winners, 100/1 shot Tipperary Tim". Belfast Telegraph. Retrieved 26 October 2021.
- ALT2: ... that Tipperary Tim, an outsider on 100-1 odds, winning the 1928 Grand National inspired future horse racing commentator Peter O'Sullevan and jockey Beltrán Alfonso Osorio to enter the industry?"One 10-year-old boy, Peter O’Sullevan, put his first ever bet on Tipperary Tim, and when he won a lifelong love of racing was born. O’Sullevan would go on to become the ‘voice of racing’" from: Roper, Matt (4 April 2019). "The amazing story of Tipperary Tim and the Grand National's biggest ever upset". Daily Mirror. Retrieved 26 October 2021. and " in Madrid, an eight-year-old boy watched the newsreel in awe. "It was the most exciting thing I had ever seen," he recalled, 64 years later. "From that moment on, I was determined to ride in the race. It was my obsession."" from: Ashforth, David (7 April 2021). "'If he didn't want to listen to you he suddenly wouldn't remember any English' t". Racing Post. Retrieved 26 October 2021.
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 09:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC).
Article meets DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing was found, and a QPQ has been done. I think ALT0 is the best hook here, but my issue is that it's sourced to the Daily Mirror, which is listed as an orange source at WP:RSP; I'd be willing to accept it as a source though provided a second source can be found here. ALT2 is probably too niche, so ALT1 is my preferred backup if ALT0 doesn't workout (ALT1's sourcing is also more solid, so there's that). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Narutolovehinata5, thanks for looking at this. The Mirror is generally the best of the British tabloids, while I wouldn't rely on it for anything controversial its racing coverage is about the best in the mainstream press. I used it here because it directly stated the hook fact. You can piece the hook facts together from the other sources which variously relate that there were two finishers and Billy Barton fell and was remounted. Otherwise a site such as Grand National Ultimate History lists the two finishers and notes (with an R) that Billy Barton was remounted, while Tipperary Tim was not - Dumelow (talk) 11:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- I see. Can you add that second source to the article then, perhaps with some explanation or footnote? I don't think the Mirror would be lying about this information, it's just that the orange listing at RSP makes me err on the side of caution here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:42, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Narutolovehinata5, I've added that additional ref - Dumelow (talk) 13:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the edits. The new source isn't as clear as the Daily Mirror one, but I guess it should suffice. In any case, erring on the side of caution I'll be asking for a second opinion on if the Daily Mirror source is sufficient in this case.
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:15, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- I see. Can you add that second source to the article then, perhaps with some explanation or footnote? I don't think the Mirror would be lying about this information, it's just that the orange listing at RSP makes me err on the side of caution here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:42, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Narutolovehinata5, thanks for looking at this. The Mirror is generally the best of the British tabloids, while I wouldn't rely on it for anything controversial its racing coverage is about the best in the mainstream press. I used it here because it directly stated the hook fact. You can piece the hook facts together from the other sources which variously relate that there were two finishers and Billy Barton fell and was remounted. Otherwise a site such as Grand National Ultimate History lists the two finishers and notes (with an R) that Billy Barton was remounted, while Tipperary Tim was not - Dumelow (talk) 11:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Approving ALT0, a solid hook for an article that by both my and NLH's review passes DYK standards. Yellow means "consider context", not "reject out of hand"; the context here is that the Daily Mirror is a reliable source for horse racing coverage, and I have no qualms about its use here. (I broadly concur with Dumelow's take on when it should and shouldn't be used.) Vaticidalprophet 02:36, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
