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This article needs stricter requirements in which constitutes a contemporary ultranationalist party

I'm only talking on behalf of the Finnish "Finns Party", but I suspect other parties listed in the article might not fill the criteria for ultranationalism either. Pretty much nothing of the first few paragraphs of the article applies to the program or actions of The Finns Party (political violence, supremacism, "nation as a mythological organic entity"), rendering the list wholly unreliable and arbitrary. Essentially a contemporary nationalist-conservative-populist party is equaled to another since banned Finnish party that was called Patriotic People's Movement (IKL), which was literally a fascist party. Suomen Sisu is also an ultranationalist organisation to some extent, so at least regarding them, the article is correct.

This is problematic, considering how strong of a label "ultranationalist" is, especially for democratically elected parties that do their best to avoid that label. I would suggest using more caution when categorizing different parties, and using their official programs and official statements as reference. 86.115.240.62 (talk) 13:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Communist Party

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This is one of the sources I presented when I added the Chinese Communists Party to the article as an ultranationalist political party:

Utilizing the Great Firewall, Chinese Communist Party (CCP) propaganda has been implementing different strategies for its international and domestic audiences. While trying to appeal to international audiences by criticizing issues such as racism and colonialism in Western democracies, China has increased its efforts to cultivate far-right nationalism ideologies as a domestic propaganda tool to justify its policies in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and the lack of human rights improvements. The Great Translation Movement offers people who do not understand the Chinese language an opportunity to examine many outrageous propaganda materials and the outcomes of those propaganda efforts.

With this “name and shame” tactic, the movement also became a tool to fight against extreme nationalism in China and the government’s propaganda efforts to promote those messages. Shortly after the vulgar language around “sheltering” young Ukrainian women created a backlash, China began censoring sexist messages that mocked the sufferings of Ukrainian civilians. The Great Translation Movement declared a partial victory against CCP propaganda on Twitter, citing signs that various levels of the Chinese government halted and censored their propaganda efforts due to the pressure from the campaign.

The source clearly refers to the CCP and "China" as "far-right nationalism". Furthermore, the source refers to the Chinese "government" as "extreme nationalism".

China is a one-party dictatorship based on Marxism-Leninism, and therefore cannot separate the 'party' from the 'government' or 'China as the meaning of state/country'. The CCP should therefore be added as part of the ultranationalist political party within the article. ProKMT (talk) 08:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources talk about ultranationalism in the Chinese propaganda environment or social media. They don't mention an ultranationalist faction within the CCP. Most sources I see state CCP strategically uses nationalist messaging to boost support over its policies, while still keeping a tight control over nationalists. Additionally China is a one-party dictatorship based on Marxism-Leninism, and therefore cannot separate the 'party' from the 'government' or 'China as the meaning of state/country'. is original research. The Account 2 (talk) 12:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

However, Xi's individual is also described as an ultranationalist. The current CCP is Xi's one-man dictatorship, not a collective leadership system. ProKMT (talk) 07:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]