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Varnas in the Upanishads

In the Upanishads, varnas are determined not by the genealogies of people, but by the qualities of their personalities. Look in Chandogya Upanishad 4.4.3-5, Vajrasuchika Upanishad 5, Niralamba Upanishad 6. 2A00:1FA0:8217:A76F:904C:9520:C709:3736 (talk) 10:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Varnas in the The Epics section

From first hand experience, the line "The first model describes Varna as colour-coded system, through a sage named Bhrigu, "Brahmins Varna was white, Kshtriyas was red, Vaishyas was yellow, and the Shudras' black"." in the paragraph under the epics is being misunderstood/misused. I was in a 200 people seminar where the speaker used this sentence to refer to skin colour calling it discriminatory in nature.

The sentence should clearly state that this "color coded model" does not speak of one's skin color but refers to personality. White means pure which a truly learned person should be, red talks about power in kshtriyas. Yellow speaks of envy/greed in vaysas where as black denotes lack of knowledge in shudras.

There should be more detail about rajas, tamas and satvikta here to ensure that what these colors signify is not misunderstood. 2A02:EE80:4026:3004:9407:6B58:13B2:73CD (talk) 16:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vajrasuchi Upanishad

@Pepperbeast please provide the quote from your given source. And who is Mariola Offredi? is he a scholar? please provide a bio of him. Please see under WP:HISTRS We need academic sources for these claims. Thanks. Timovinga (talk) 11:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article clearly needs to be edited.

In Chandogya Upanishad 4.4.3-5, Vajrasuchika Upanishad 5, Niralamba Upanishad 6, it is clearly stated that varnas are determined not by the pedigree of people, but by the qualities of their personalities.

And in Mahabharata 3.188.18, 41, it is clearly stated that in Kali-Yuga there are no varnas at all, except for the shudras. 2A00:1FA0:C4DF:46E1:30C5:C064:2404:8915 (talk) 13:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Varna-Chaturasram

It was not at all hierarchical. It was based on the special qualities of an individual that he or she was segregated into one of the four classes in then-society. None of his or her next generations could attain that privilege. They, according to their qualities, would stay in that Varna or had to join another one of the four if he or she did not have those qualities of being titled of an earlier Varna. 2409:40E0:45:476C:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 09:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split into Varna and Varna system

This page consists of two concepts - Varna and Varna system. Both should be split into different pages or different sections. Riteze (talk) 04:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Majority of the text is related to Varna system. So, if split is complicated, name of the page could be changed to 'Varna system'. Riteze (talk) 07:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What text? This article hasn't been written yet! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:44, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Second half of 1st paragraph, 2nd paragraph, 3rd paragraph, 'The Vedas' section and so on, in Varna (Hinduism) are related to Varna system. It is proposed that the later page is created and content related to the 'Varna system' be moved to that page. Riteze (talk) 09:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As per WP:SPINOUT, articles are split only when the content becomes too large for a single page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I can't see what the point of this manoeuvre would be. PepperBeast (talk) 14:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]