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RM, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → Donald Trump's false and misleading claims, No consensus, 25 October 2018, Requested move 25 October 2018
Discussion, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → False and misleading statements by Donald Trump, No consensus, 21 February 2019, Should this page be moved to 'False and misleading statements by Donald Trump'?
RM, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → False statements by Donald Trump, No consensus, 22 April 2019, Requested move 22 April 2019
Discussion, *various options presented initially*, No consensus, 19 August 2022, Title of article is wrong
RM, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → Mendacity of statements by Donald Trump, Withdrawn, 11 June 2023, Requested move 11 June 2023
RM, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → Inaccuracy of statements by Donald Trump, Consensus to move to False or misleading statements by Donald Trump, 17 June 2023, Requested move 17 June 2023

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Repetition	5,446	5,446
Bullshit	1,390	1,390
Business career	56	29,814
Real estate	3,474	3,474
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Philanthropy	3,118	3,118
Sports	8,629	8,629
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In The Art of the Deal	13,208	13,208
September 11 attacks	6,374	6,374
2016 presidential campaign	18,497	21,217
Border wall with Mexico	2,720	2,720
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Fact-checking Trump	22,011	22,011
Credibility polling	2,397	2,397
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Dismissal of FBI director	4,435	4,435
Personal lawyer	4,874	4,874
Spygate conspiracy theory	5,415	5,415
2018 California wildfires	1,384	1,384
Special counsel investigation	5,142	5,142
Economy	15,957	15,957
Family separation policy	2,693	2,693
E. Jean Carroll sexual assault accusation	2,529	2,529
Article II and unlimited executive power	1,232	1,232
Hurricane Dorian	23,076	23,076
Meeting with Iran	1,295	1,295
U.S military pullout from Kurdistan	1,510	1,510
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Joe Scarborough murder conspiracy theory	7,744	7,744
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Ilhan Omar	1,081	1,081
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The military and veterans	4,778	4,778
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January 6 attack	14,003	14,003
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2021 California gubernatorial recall election	1,272	1,272
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Music Modernization Act	1,089	1,089
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Elon Musk interview	6,138	6,138
Howell, Michigan speech	1,006	1,006
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Second term	2,368	22,065
Events	109	17,338
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Speech to a joint session of Congress	9,698	9,698
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Blame for start of Russo-Ukrainian War	2,312	2,312
Sanewashing of Donald Trump	29,499	29,499
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Fact-checker archives	701	701
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Suggestion of structure for the section Second term.

Greetings.
I suggest this structure for this section, which is similar to the one followed for the inter-presidency period.
In the future, these general subjects could be separated in more specific ones.

Misleading tariff calculations

In light of the recent proposed tariffs, Trump claims that, among others, the EU has a 39% import tariff on US exports. The calculation boils down to the trade deficit over the imports, which does not reflect the actual tariffs EU is applying (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/api/files/document/print/en/qanda_25_541/QANDA_25_541_EN.pdf, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tariff_rate) The EU's VAT is non-discriminatory.

The point of this is not that the calculation is wrong, this is, as far as I know, indeed the ratio of trade deficits over imports, but the fact that this is represented in a misleading way as the actual tariffs countries are applying to the US.

https://www.thejournal.ie/trump-tariffs-explainer-6666671-Apr2025/ Tnhuisman (talk) 19:16, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sanewashing section includes irrelevant information

I'd like to suggest that some of the information from the Sanewashing section be moved to the page about concerns about age-related degeneration. Information like Trump's speech complexity seem irrelevant to this section (though relevant to other pages!). I plan to remove in a few days, but am leaving a comment here first to see if anyone has a good argument for the contrary. Tomcatfish (talk) 03:51, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move review for False or misleading statements by Donald Trump

A 2-month-old account cannot initiate a Move Review of a 2 year-old discussion, this is plainly disruptive. Zaathras (talk) 21:12, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hello, I would like to request a [[Wikipedia:Move review#{{{1}}}|Move review]] of False or misleading statements by Donald Trump. Many Wikipedia readers (including myself) disagree with the title, as many of the things he said were true or were said jokingly. I would like to propose changing the name to Controversial Statements made by Donald Trump, to avoid controversy. Vanleos (talk) 17:13, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Immediate oppose. It's very hard to tell when he is joking. And this article's title isn't wrong, technically. 'Controversial' seems like whitewashing it. ☩ ^{(Babysharkboss2)} 17:15, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This is a distinct topic as discussed by independent reliable sources. A false statement made as a joke is still a false statement. If there are true statements asserted to be false in this article, please point those out so they can be addressed. I suggest a SNOW close here, this will not gain consensus. 331dot (talk) 17:37, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Per the discussion here leading to the article's being moved/renamed in 2023, consensus was that the current title most accurately describes article content. —RCraig09 (talk) 19:25, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This article used to have the milquetoast fake-neutral name Veracity of statements by Donald Trump, per the discussion pointed to by RCraig09 just above. Now it's called something that covers the content far better. Controversial statements would be wildly irrelevant, as no controversy exists over Trump's bullshit. Compare also this edit. Bishonen | tålk 19:39, 10 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Trim?

This is long... to say the least. I feel like a bit of cleanup is in order, but I'm not sure which areas to trim. WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it has previously been discussed to split this up by date somehow; pre-presidency/first term/second term, maybe. 331dot (talk) 19:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would support this proposal. I would also support a split-off of all political statements to a separate article, although the classification would be a bit nebulous and may have OR concerns. WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 19:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trim it or not, I don’t doubt it will still be biased as heck.Bjoh249 (talk) 20:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]