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A fact from William P. Dole appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 August 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that before becoming a commissioner of Indian affairs, William P. Dole was only known to have encountered Native Americans once in his life?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that before becoming Lincoln's Commissioner of Indian Affairs, William P. Dole (pictured), was only known to have encountered Native Americans once in his life?

Source: Kelsey, Harry (1979). "William P. Dole (1861–1865)". In Kvasnicka, Robert M.; Viola, Herman J. (eds.). The Commissioners of Indian Affairs, 1824-1977. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press. pp. 139-140

William P. Dole, 1860s

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Created by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 58 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
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QPQ: Done.

Overall:

Epicgenius (talk) 15:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Hog Farm _Talk 02:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 23:28, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 04:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm hoping to have a chance to review this over the weekend. Hog Farm _Talk 04:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

" he left home in 1821 to work as a grocer in Clinton, Indiana" - What does Hofsommer say? Carmony & Gray suggets 1831 instead of 1821. Carmony & Gray has He was born in Vermont in 1811 ; after stays in New Hampshire and Ohio his family settled near Terre Haute, Indiana, in 1821. A decade later William made Clinton his home. This would by a decade after 1821 by my reading. And while the 1820s/1830s were a very different time, even for then 10 years old would be awfully young to move out on your own and become a grocer. The Canal Society source supports 1831 more directly
- Facepalm on my part. Thank you for catching that lol. - G
"where he partnered with William Kile to open a dry goods store named Kile and Dole" - I think you want Kelsey 1979 p. 90, not p. 89 as is in the citation currently
- Fixed. - G
This isn't necessary for GA, but if you're wanting to take this to FA, there's a chapter from Paternalism to Partnership by DeJong and recently published by the University of Nebraska available on the wikipedia library JSTOR - here. Most of the chapter is quotes from documents prepared by Dole, but there are a couple pages of content specifically focused on his time as commissioner
- Ooh, thank you! - G
Kelsey 1979 p. 96 discusses that Dole's tenure helped shift the federal government's policy from a treaty/land claim based focus to one aimed more towards welfare of the tribes, is this worth mentioning?

That's it for the first reading. Hog Farm _Talk 21:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Generalissima: - Do you have any thoughts on that final point? Hog Farm _Talk 19:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: Oops! I was going to go back and add that but forgot that I hadn't. Added! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This looks fine to me for GA, so I'm going to go ahead and pass this. I do wonder if it could be fleshed out a little bit more in places (especially using Kelsey 1979) before a potential trip to FAC. Hog Farm _Talk 02:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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