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W. Cubitt

The template gives W. Cubitt as locomotive superintendent of the LCDR from 1853 to 1860. This agrees with several books, including pretty much every edition of the Ian Allan ABC from 1943 down to 1967, and some by H.C. Casserley.^[1] Unfortunately, the recognised author on LCDR locomotives, D.L. Bradley, does not agree: he only has two locomotive superintendents for the LCDR, ie Martley and Kirtley. On careful reading of Bradley, and also books by O.S. Nock and C.F. Dendy Marshall, it would appear that:

Sir William Cubitt was Engineer for the line (by which was meant "civil engineer"); but the company had little upper management, and Cubitt carried out many duties which would normally have been performed by a General Manager until James Staats Forbes was appointed G.M. from 1 September 1862^[2]
the first section of the LCDR was not opened until 25 January 1858, so the services of a loco supt were unlikely to be needed as early as 1853
The earlier locomotives were either hired, bought secondhand, or built to existing designs of their makers; and so there was little need for anybody to lay down a design specification
On the few occasions prior to 1860 that a design specification was called for, this was prepared by T.R. Crampton (Tiger and Echo classes).^[3]
Martley was the first loco supt, and took up his duties on 5 April 1860^[4]

It would seem then, that like the General Manager duties, Cubitt carried out the duties of locomotive superintendent, but did not actually hold that post. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Casserley, H.C.; Johnston, Stuart W. (1974) [1965]. Locomotives at the Grouping 1: Southern Railway. Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 60. ISBN 0 7110 0552 4.
^ Nock, O.S. (1971) [1961]. The South Eastern and Chatham Railway. Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 55. ISBN 0 7110 0268 1. the running of the railway had largely been in the hands of the engineer, Cubitt
^ Bradley, D.L. (1979) [1960]. The Locomotive History of the London, Chatham & Dover Railway (2nd ed.). London: RCTS. pp. 33–34, 38. ISBN 0 901115 47 9. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
^ Bradley, p. 8

It seems that the template includes civil engineers for the lines at points when the railway wasn't open (eg LCDR open 1860?) - the obvious thing to would be omit that - as it doesn't appear relevant. It seems fairly clear that w.Cubbitt was never a mechanical engineer and never designed a locomotive. As to the fine details I can't comment.Sf5xeplus (talk) 14:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've found some more, see Talk:Locomotives of the Southern Railway#Cubitt on the London, Chatham and Dover. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:16, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Name error?

Isn't the title wrong - eg "South Eastern and Chatham Railway Locomotives" - the other companies are related but not part of it ? Sf5xeplus (talk) 23:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I take it you mean the G class and the Ironclads. These two classes were built to designs originating on other railways, but were delivered new to the SECR (G class) or SER (Ironclads). I've been mulling for nearly a year on whether to give the G class a separate article or just a specific section in LNER Class D40. There's a bit of background to the Ironclads at James Cudworth (engineer). --Redrose64 (talk) 12:57, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I just worked it out - I didn't know the history - I kept misreading the lead to the main article.Sf5xeplus (talk) 14:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SECR G class now created, as redirect to section in LNER Class D40. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Casserley, H.C.; Johnston, Stuart W. (1974) [1965]. Locomotives at the Grouping 1: Southern Railway. Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 60. ISBN 0 7110 0552 4.

[2] Nock, O.S. (1971) [1961]. The South Eastern and Chatham Railway. Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 55. ISBN 0 7110 0268 1. the running of the railway had largely been in the hands of the engineer, Cubitt

[3] Bradley, D.L. (1979) [1960]. The Locomotive History of the London, Chatham & Dover Railway (2nd ed.). London: RCTS. pp. 33–34, 38. ISBN 0 901115 47 9. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

[4] Bradley, p. 8

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