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Speedy deletion nomination of Coolboys and the Frontman

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A tag has been placed on Coolboys and the Frontman requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, a group of people, an individual animal, an organization (band, club, company, etc.), web content, or an organized event that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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Thanks for message. Please note that although it was tagged for deletion as non-notable, it was actually deleted by me as advertising, althouigh there is no evidence that they are notable either.

I note that much of the editing has been done by accounts that have few edits elsewhere, and that the article had numerous tags for problems with referencing, COI and notability prior to its deletion.

If you have a conflict of interest regarding this article, you must declare it. Also read the following regarding writing an article:

you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the band or company, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, logs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the band claims or interviewing its management. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls

The article had no independent references at all, it was entirely unsourced apart from refs to the Hamish and Andy site, hardly an independent third-party source

There is nothing to indicate that they meet any of the notability criteria linked above, if Hamish and Andy and Andy are notable, the band should be mentioned in that, they are clearly not notable on their own merits, basically a pub band.

The fact that other articles have not been deleted doesn't help you, either they met the criteria or should be deleted as well. See What about article x?. Also note that many articles would have been accepted before the notability guidelines were made stricter.

You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews. This unsourced article is basically a promo for the group
There shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.
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Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:40, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was not self promotion or advertising. It was notable as they are notable Australian comedians, that also had the band with other notable musicians. The page was linked from their own page. Just because you personally don't know of them, doesn't mean they aren't notable in their own right. They have been arguably the most popular comedic group in Australia for well over a decade.

I believe that your deletion was heavy handed and incorrect as you assumed it was self promotion, when it very much wasn't.

With the referencing, that could have been cleaned up if given the opportunity.

Basetornado (talk) 01:18, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I have. No where does it state that it cannot be done. It just states that you should consider not doing it.

I considered it. I also looked at the facts of the matter. I looked at the interest involved. Basetornado (talk) 02:09, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Australian football

The lead sentence should use extreme WP:SUMMARY style and therefore not give an exhaustive list of nicknames. For instance association football is known by many different names, including "footy", but these are not mentioned. Only two alternative names are given. - HappyWaldo (talk) 19:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's absurd. Are we trying to make an accurate page or not. Basetornado (talk) 09:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You must be new here, the pagekeepers of the AFL article will not accept that half the population calls AFL, AFL.

Australian football pt2

Re scoring, not only are you adding unnecessary historical details, but the formatting and capitalisation is off (ie bolding the final score example). It's not a good look. "Traditionally the AFL Grand Final would be replayed if drawn, while Finals matches only began to utilise extra time in 1991. Although extra time for the Grand Final was implemented in 2015." None of this is relevant here. The section isn't titled "Evolution of scoring", just "Scoring". It should be described as clearly and as succinctly as possible, rather than get bogged down in irrelevant historical details, like scoring during the pre-season comp between 2003-2017. - HappyWaldo (talk) 10:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The information you left also included historical factors. The ball line you changed also included historical factors. The scoring one? Because how the game is scored is different to how it would be scored in other sports, it felt important to actually include an example.

The 9 points thing? It's a form of scoring that still gets used. It's why I wrote "standard" game.

Change the formatting if you don't like the formatting. But you are reverting relevant information and leaving information that is poorly written, or doesn't actually give the reasons for changes. For example the ball line you left, besides it having historical factors, something apparently we shouldn't have. Also just states that it was for visibility. It doesn't mention that it's designed for night games and games in the afternoon etc. How it's written currently just makes it look like the AFL started changing it across the board. Basetornado (talk) 10:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, I was too hasty in my reverts, as you have made valuable updates as well. I'll be more careful going forward. - HappyWaldo (talk) 21:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You. I have no issues with you changing things for the better etc. What I get pissed off by are when the entire thing is reverted, because you didn't like one thing in it. Basetornado (talk) 00:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A tip. For every edit you make, write an Edit summary. Edits made without Edit summaries immediately make other editors suspicious that something less than ideal may be going on. HiLo48 (talk) 06:29, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Can do. Didn't think it was neccessary for adding a link to the full page etc. Basetornado (talk) 06:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe not always necessary, but almost always a good idea. HiLo48 (talk) 10:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Basetornado. Thank you for your work on Rally 'Round the West Indies. Another editor, Slgrandson, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

As an expatriate of the region itself--and a fan of the sport it immortalises--I thank you for getting that topic onto WP. Never thought I'd see the day either!

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@Slgrandson: No worries at all! I'm Australian, but grew up loving Brian Lara and the West Indian team. Had enjoyed the song for a while, so loved seeing Rudder sing it before the recent match against NZ. Thought it was deserving of a page of it's own. Thank you for reviewing it! Basetornado (talk) 04:00, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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United States Grand Prix

There is still a long way to go before the event. Redirect can be moved just a week before. Island92 (talk) 10:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No rush needed just yet. Island92 (talk) 10:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Island92 I don't really see the issue in starting it early. Especially when it's under a month away. The only reason I wrote it was because I was shocked that it didn't already have a page.

Everything I wrote on it was sourced and I even hid the classifications etc, so that it could be easily added too, while not being seen until needed. I just noticed you reverted it as being "too far". Sorry but this reversion feels like it's actively made the site worse. Nothing I wrote is up in the air. If it was next years race, I can understand, but again it's less than a month away. Il wait for a reply before undoing it. But this feels like overkill and I don't understand the revert. Basetornado (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's too early. We never displayed a Grand Prix page with a month ahead, despite all the information. Island92 (talk) 10:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about the race possibly called off? It just happened in the past. Moving the redirect during race week is sufficient. Island92 (talk) 10:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Island92 "That's how we've always done it" isn't a great answer. The 2020 Australian Grand Prix was called off the day it was supposed to start, so the one week "rule" doesn't even apply to that.

If it does get called off, then the wording just gets changed. Everything I wrote was listed explicitly as "Scheduled to be held". It's less than a month out. I can understand for later races and the like, but the next race? No. I just can't see this as a necessary revert. You have already been told by others for reverting things unnecessarily and unilaterly. I feel that is similar.

Having the page ready to go is a better option than having a redirect to the Season page. Basetornado (talk) 11:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Now I restore but lots of things need fixing, which I will do thereafter. Island92 (talk) 11:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, thank you. What needs fixing? The classifications are like that so people can easily just change the names and remove the hidden sections etc. Basetornado (talk) 11:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other little details. It will be noted once I make the change (one edit only). Island92 (talk) 11:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Island92 (talk) 14:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Island92 Good clean up with some of the wording etc.

But why remove the hidden classifications? I also mentioned that in my last comment to you and you never said you'd remove that. You instead left something actively worse. The boxes I had automatically blanked out the drivers who miss out on Q1 and Q2. You instead left one that just has the first driver. The race boxes had every position. You again replaced it with the first one. Why? Basetornado (talk) 08:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Restored! Drivers and teams models copied from 2024 Austrian GP, the last event with the sprint format. Island92 (talk) 08:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Just was a bit annoyed because I spent a bit of time on it etc, and found that it really helped get the race classification up ASAP last race, compared to Azerbaijan where I checked the next morning and it still wasn't up etc.

Thank you! Basetornado (talk) 08:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to add classifications just by practice. I don't need it to be prepared (only for other table models, +source). For the race in Azerbaijan I did not do it. I had no time. Island92 (talk) 08:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Someone else leaving it, meant that I was able to do it pretty much as soon as the results were released on the FIA page. Just makes it easier for others to do, in case you can't etc. Basetornado (talk) 11:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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