User talk:ItsjustGatsby

Why do you keep undoing my entries? Please stop.

I've warned you twice, and those warnings included a clear explanation. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:02, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Final warning for adding entries that do not meet WP:BIO notability

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

No, there is no clear explanation. What is wrong with the new entries?

For example: What wrong with the entry?

He has a wiki page. how does he violate standards?

• Tim Durham, disgraced former lawyer, businessman and ponzi scheme operator convicted in 2012 of the largest white collar crime in Indiana history

Dr. Cobb? How is she not worthy of note?

• Alice L Cobb, writer, sociologist, college professor at Scarritt College for Christian Workers and early Civil Rights leader

The astronomer Dr. Edmondson also has his own wiki page

• Frank K. Edmondson, American astronomer

General Pruess has a page on AF.mil and is a mmber of the local high school's notable alumni. So is General Stewart:

• Paul T Preuss, Major General, United States Air Force
• Richard R Stewart, Major General, United States Air Force

Seriously. Please tell me.

I didn't remove entries for Durham or Edmondson; I removed entries that do not have articles and that have no evidence of obviously meeting our notability criteria. Please carefully read WP:BIO and WP:RS. Having an entry on the local schools notable alumni list does not come close to satisfying that criteria. The sources for Cobb do not meet our reliable sources criteria either. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

You removed all the edits.

What's the issue with the air force biographies?

For the last time, read WP:BIO. While some high-ranking leaders may be notable, there's no evidence that the ones you've added are. I'm not explaining this further. Read the policy links. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:42, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I believe you are arbitrarily enforcing rules based solely on your opinion. Furthermore, I believe you're conducting yourself un-professionally.

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If you want to communicate with me, you can do it here. I don't read or respond to emails unless there's a good reason to not communicate via talk pages (e.g., privacy issues, etc). OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:35, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

fine. this is a new process for me.

How should I cite sources for lists? please refer to the new list of mayors as an example.

Just like you'd WP:CITE a source for anything else. You find a reliable source that confirms the material that you are adding, and you add that as a source. Those links have a lot of material; start with this one: Help:Referencing_for_beginners.

For this particular example, I found this online: [1]. You could cite it like this: <ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.newspapers.com/clip/11180501/mayors-and-history/|title=A Look Back Into Seymour's History|publisher=The Tribune|date=1992-02-26|access-date=2022-01-24}}</ref>

The "Transportation" section of the Seymour article has other good examples of citations (though "railfanguides" is a questionable source). OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

thank you.

hey, I researched all those casualties. why do you unilaterally just delete work? your're supposed to help. not hinder.

yout put 'needs citation' directly next to citation #20.

I removed the list of casualties because Wikipedia is not a memorial. Do you really think it would be manageable to list casualities from every town from every war? Following policies is not "hindering." I added that "cite needed" because "Gold star honor roll. A record of Indiana men and women who died in the service of the United States and the allied nations in the world war. 1914-1918" isn't a verifiable citation. It's not required (but nice) if the citation is available online, but if it's not, you at least need to provide enough information to make it clear where it can be found. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:42, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Seymour history section

Hi Jody! You've been doing a nice job of filling out the Seymour article. I notice that the history section is getting a bit large; it might be time to add some subsections to it using subheadings. That's not a strict requirement, but it might be useful here. Looking through some examples of US cities with "Good article" status, I see most of them have a history section with a few subsections [2], [3], though not in all cases [4]. Actually, you may also want to check out WP:GA in general; Wikipedia "Good articles" are articles that have been reviewed and revised by multiple editors until they reach a point where they meet a set of guidelines. For instance, if you got Seymour Indiana to a point where you thought it met a lot of the GA criteria, you could nominate it, and you'd get feedback from other folks who are experienced with article improvement; with a little bit of work, you could probably get it to GA status. Keep up the good work! OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

thank you. I'll check that out.

More additions

Hey Jamie, I've made some additions to the page you may want to review. In advance of GA, I have created a TODO list on the talk page. After I complete it, I'll move forward with GA. thank you for your help.

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thanks. good catch. Itsjustjody (talk) 21:44, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

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Image uploads

I really suggest that you refrain from uploading any more images to either Wikipedia or Commons unless you're able to provide more complete information about their provenance to allow their copyright statuses to be properly assesed. It's possible that files like File:Colonel Samuel Wells.jpeg and File:Seymour Indiana Public Library.tiff are OK for Wikipedia to use, but more information about their origin (i.e. answers to questions like who, what, when and where) is going to be needed to sort out whether they're OK for Wikipedia. In particular, the first date of publication would be quite helpful in helping to figure out if these images are no longer eligible for copyright protection. I understand that you're trying to improve articles like Seymour, Indiana by adding images to them, but it needs to be as certain as reasonably possible that the files are acceptable from a copyright standpoint. If you're not sure, it's best to ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. If you're finding these images somewhere online that please provide information as to where on their respective file pages to aid other in assessing their copyirght status. If you're finding them in book or other non-online print publications, please provide information about the publication for the same reasons. These images came from somewhere and the more information you can provide about their source, the easier it will be to assess them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:43, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I have added source information to each new image's meta data. One came from findagrave from a descendant of colonel wells. It's a picture of him in uniform. it's clearly more than 100 years old.

the second looks like a drawing of the seymour library. it came from the seymour library website.

--Itsjustjody (talk) 03:01, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. You can also use the template {{Information}} to add file information to file pages. Please also remember it's the date of first publication that tends to matter more with respect to copyright status than the date of creation; in some cases, they can be the same, but in others they might be quite different.

In addition and for future reference, images such as these would probably be better off uploaded to Commons. Commons is a global website and the files it hosts are easily to use by all Wikimedia Foundation projects as well as other third-parties; English Wikipedia, on the other hand, is a local project when it comes to files and files uploaded to it can only be used on English Wikipedia. They will need to be downloaded and reuploaded to Commons if some other language Wikipedia wants to use them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:42, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

okay. I continue to learn. Itsjustjody (talk) 04:01, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Everyone starts out the same and most learn as they go along. Images tend to be an area where lots of mistakes are made because copyright laws often vary quite a bit from country to country and many people mistake being freely available online for being free of copyright protection. Because of the way the Wikimedia Foundation has chosen to license license the content found on Wikipedia, sometimes care needs to be taken when it comes to reusing content created by others. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:23, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I just heard from the artist. she is willing to release the copyright for the mural photo. where is the form you need completed? I'll send it to her Itsjustjody (talk) 15:19, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

There's no particular "form" that needs to be sent in tot he Volunteer Response Team (VRT), but you can find an example of the type of email that is generally considered acceptable at c:Commons:Email templates. The name of the file (File:Mural-Header.png) should be included in the email somewhere (maybe as an "Re" or "About" field) and the artist should use her official email address (or as official an email address as possible). If she has an official website or business office email, then either of those should be OK. It would probably be a good idea to ask her to take the time to read through c:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia, c:Commons:Credit line, c:Commons:License revocation and c:Commons:Non-copyright restrictions because those pages contain information that she may find helpful. You might also suggest that she take a look at c:Commons:Creative Commons because it contains information on the types of Creative Commons licenses that the Wikimedia Foundation accepts. Although Wikimedia Commons (or "Commons") and Creative Commons have similar names, they aren't really connected in any official way (as far as I know), and she can find out more about Creative Commons here. The more she understands about the process, the less likely she's going to be surprised by something later on. It's also important to make sure she understands that any problems she has with others reusing the file are between her and the reuser, and she shouldn't expect the Wikimedia Foundation step in and mediate things as explained in c:Commons:General disclaimer.

Unless the photo you uploaded was also taken by the artist, the consent of the person who actually took the photo is also going to be needed. It might be a good idea for one to mention that the other is also emailing their consent to VRT just to help avoid confusion because there's no guarantee that the same VRT member will review both emails. One consent without the other is unlikely going to work; so, if you're having trouble getting the photographer's consent, perhaps the artist or someone else (who is OK with giving their consent) can take a new photo of the mural. You can find some suggestions on how to taking photos for Commons at c:Commons:Image guidelines. The file you uploaded has already been deleted by a Commons administrator named c:User:Túrelio, but it can be restored (likely fairly easily) once the consent of the artist and photographer have been verified.

The persons emailing VRT should get an automatic reply containing a VRT ticket number. If they don't get such a reply, maybe ask them to check their spam folder since it might've ended up there. The VRT ticket number is sort of like a case number and it can be used to find out information about what's happening with the email and its verification. There is a general noticeboard at c:Commons:Volunteer Response Team/Noticeboard where questions can be asked, but VRT members won't publicly disclose the specific of any emails they receive (they can't do so based on an agreement they sign when becoming a VRT member) and they won't discuss them via email with anyone other then the person who sent in the email. You may somehow be made privy to the contents of these emails via other means, but you should be very very careful about posting that information anywhere on Wikipedia or Commons because there are policies in place about posting personal information that you don't want to accidentally run afoul of. How it takes for an email to be processed depends on many things. If the VRT member reviewing the email finds everything to be in order, they will most likely add the template c:Template:PermissionTicket to the file's page and that will indicate that licensing has been verified. If there are issues with the email, the VRT member will like add the template c:Template:Permission received to the file's page and explain what the issues to the sender via email. I'm not a VRT member so what I've posted above might not be 100% up to date, but I will ask a VRT member to take a look and correct any mistakes I might've made.

Finally, sorting out all of the copyright stuff is primarily what is going to be needed over at Commons; however, the encyclopedic use of the files you upload isn't really the main concern of Commons. Images being used in Wikipedia articles are going to still need to comply with Wikipedia:Image use policy. Generally, this means that images should be contextually and encyclopedically relevant to what's being discussed in the article as explained here and here. Sometimes there may be disagreement over this and these should be resolved through discussion on article talk pages by establishing a WP:CONSENSUS either way. Just because the an image might be OK from a copyright aspect, that doesn't mean it's automatically OK for a context aspect. Try and keep that in mind when uploading photos to Commons. Images of random people like lifeguards or kids playing soccer are going to be harder to contextually justify than perhaps images of notable or historical locations, or other things about Seymour. You should only upload a photo to Commons or Wikipedia when there's really a good chance of it being used on some page because unused files often end up deleted (particularly if they're considered to be problematic per c:Commons:Project scope and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a blog, web hosting service, social networking service, or memorial site.) I've posted a lot above and have included lots of links for reference because I think they contain information that you and she may find helpful. If either of your have specific questions about these types of things that you can't seem to find an answer for on any Commons pages, you might want to try c:Commons:Contact us. It's going to be assumed that she understands what giving her consent means; so, any concerns she may have about doing so should be resolved before she sends any emails. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

1. awesome thanks.

2. can you look into my "yearbook" question? (i tagged you)

3. can you look at my talk section in commons. another user is threatening me now (and I haven't done anything new). I'm honestly trying to learn and contribute

--Itsjustjody (talk) 01:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:PINGs only work when properly formatted and used as part of a WP:SIGNed post as explained here. There are different ways to ping someone, but be aware that all editors are WP:VOLUNTEERs and you may have to wait for a response. You should also realize that pinging someone doesn't obligate them to respond if they choose not to; in addition, some editors have disabled the feature so that they don't see pings. If you ping someone and they don't respond, you can politely ask them about it on their user talk page, but if you start ranting or otherwise are being a nuisance they might just ignore you or tell you to go away. Think of pinging like one of the bells you sometimes find at the counter of some store, you hit the bell once and hope someone comes. Repeatedly hit the bell over and over again is not going to make someone come that much fasters and will not put them in a good mood. The person added that warning to your Commons talk page is a Wikipedia administrator, a former Commons administrator and a VRT member who is quite experienced when it comes to file use and licensing. They wouldn't have added the warning unless they felt it was warranted. Try and not take it personally, but politely and civilly explain that you're new and just are learning as you go along. They will most likely be happy to help you sort things out as long as you don't start going uber-ballistic on their user talk page. Finally, I also responded to your "yearbooks" question. I saw it shortly after you posted, but I wanted to give someone else the chance to take a crack at it because (to be honest) the way you began the question about being "scolded" seemed like that might be the best thing for me to do. I did ask another editor who got lots of experience with file licensing to also take a look at it. If the thread gets archived without anyone else responding and you still want a "better" answer, then you can try asking about the same thing at c:COM:VPC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use talk pages for inappropriate discussion, as you did at IO Tillett Wright, you may be blocked from editing. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

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Please use talk pages to discuss editing concerns; there's no reason to use email for that. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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thanks ~~~ Itsjustjody (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Christine. My majors list was removed by another editor for reasons I feel are unwarranted. I have explained that the list had previously survived contact with other editors. Can you provide your assessment of a "cruftlist" label? The list is historically significant and fits none of the criteria of a cruftlist, in my opinion. ItsjustGatsby (talk) 12:32, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Seymour, Indiana, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. - Adolphus79 (talk) 12:01, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

please do no unilaterally delete work. if you think something needs citation, say that. Itsjustjody (talk) 12:03, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

If you want individual citation for each of those entries, I will. Itsjustjody (talk) 12:04, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

The WP:BURDEN is on the person adding the content, not the other editors... you will need to provide a citation showing more than a passing mention of why each entry is notable enough for inclusion... - Adolphus79 (talk) 12:21, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I should not have to cite the fact that a book was written about Seymour. It's a book. It says it's about Seymour. And, those entries were there long before you decided to help. Itsjustjody (talk) 12:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, if the book's title is "A history of Seymour, Indiana" (or something along those lines), then it could be included in a "Further Reading" section, but not in a trivial "in media" section... otherwise, its unsourced WP:TRIVIA... also, it doesn't matter how long the content had been on the article "before I decided to help", if it doesn't belong it needs to go... - Adolphus79 (talk) 12:36, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

"it doesn't belong there" is your subjective opinion. Itsjustjody (talk) 12:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, that, and the assorted links I have provided... did you bother to read any of them before replying? - Adolphus79 (talk) 12:58, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

why are you removing the link to the 50th Indiana Infantry Regiment. It's a valid link. Its not been used previously on the page. Itsjustjody (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

(←) It is linked in the paragraph directly above. Sentence #2 in "The Civil War" section (that section) starts "The entirety of the 50th Indiana Infantry Regiment commanded"... - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:14, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

~~~ okay. fine. I'm dyslexic. sometimes I need an editor. thx Itsjustjody (talk) 20:19, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm just trying to help you get it to GA, all those minor issues can quickly add up against you... and, I'm bored out of my mind now that I'm not allowed to edit outside of mainspace anymore, so I need some kind of new project... you are doing a great job, please trust that I have no nefarious intentions... - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I understand. I just get a little prideful (thats bad). Been working on this for a long time. thanks for the help. Itsjustjody (talk) 20:26, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Been there, done that, trust me... just try to remember that it is not your article, it is everyone's, and accept that we all work together to make the 'pedia better (not implying that you have broken WP:OWN, just a reminder to breathe and accept the help of more experienced editors)... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

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Seymour, Indiana

Please stop adding "legends" about things that happened miles away from Seymour, and stop adding decorative photos of people, per MOS:IMAGES. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

they aren't legends and they aren't "miles" from Seymour. Read my comments. 

the hangings were a two events that actually happened at a tree that's on the road to Brownstown not Cortland. at the time of the incidents the tree was outside of town, now it's inside town. towns grow. I can give you the coordinates on the map if you like. please restore the section ItsjustGatsby (talk) 20:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

38.940275, -85.926843. and the images aren't decorative. it's a screenshot from the newpaper announcing the hanging. ItsjustGatsby (talk) 20:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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